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According to PCGS, the only true identifier of the 1911D is the vertical die polish line on the reverse in the arrow tips. Does anyone have a better picture of this one true diagnostic point? The picture that PCGS has listed shows hardly nothing for me. http://www.pcgs.com/News/The-1911-d...2-Gold-Piece |
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I just found this picture....and added a red arrow to where I think this die line is. Can someone verify that I'm pointing to the correct die line? The coin shown in this picture ended up being an authentic MS63 specimen according to NGC. Thanks!  Edited by LowLife
05/09/2015 3:40 pm
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I saw that post, but it pretty much goes against what PCGS says. In that post, you mention that the key diagnostic is the edge of the rim marks. PCGS states that that is not the key indicator for the 1911D. They state that the die line is the only true identifier.
The reason I'm asking is because I have a 1911 that I believe is a "Weak D" variety based on this die line marker. My coin has no edge marks on the rim.
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Quote:The 1911-d $2 1/2 Gold diagnostics were discussed here: https://goccf.com/t/178181 And also here: https://goccf.com/t/194416I'm unprepared to take PCGS as Gospel, especially when they deny the concept of circumstantial evidence and additional markers. Does that mean they'll unhesitatingly pronounce one as authentic in the absence of any other evidence? That'd get them in trouble, I think.... There is more cumulative experience posting at CCF than PCGS has in their building. |
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Thoughts on this being the same die line? Here is my coin in an old ANACS holder.....ANACS decided it was just a 1911. I have not cracked it out to see if the rim has the marks on it yet.  |
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It looks good enough to consider - on my phone - but all the same I'll wait until I'm home to offer an opinion. Either way I'm not commenting on the coin's authenticity based just on the one feature. That's folly. Honestly, this is one for which images alone won't ever really tell the story.
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Is this not a very faint D that I'm seeing? Maybe just wishful thinking on my behalf?   |
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I too purchased a 1911 from a LCS and when I got home and had a better overall look at it under better light, I came to find that it was a 1911-S. Boy was it faint,but there nonetheless! I believe that the weak MM have to do with how the coin was the designed the area around the MM is the first to wear down.
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jd, you talking about a half eagle right? because they didn't make 11-s in the $2.50.
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@ KK yes,but since same design I figured the stories were related in the sense of MM wear.
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Well, here's a couple of things that PCGS doesn't feel like calling appropriate pickups for this issue. First, the mint mark is horizontal, pointing straight at the arrow with only the very slightest clockwise rotation. It should be on the same plane, direction-wise, as the horizontal lines of the arrow. Second, it's big. It should not fit into the inside contour of the arrowhead at its' fattest. The "mint mark" you have circled - yeah, it sure looks like a D  - doesn't meet either of those requirements. Keep in mind, if it still bears true from 2009 information, 40% of all Gold counterfeits PCGS receives are Indian $2.50's. |
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Dave, I see what you're saying, but I think what you're describing from my photo is the "inner" part of the D....at least in my mind. I'm attaching an image of roughly what I'm seeing in my mind's eye. I have no doubt the coin is authentic. This known authentic NGC example looks 100% identical to my possible 1911 Weak D example. Thoughts?   Edited by LowLife
05/10/2015 6:27 pm
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Thoughts? I shoulda maybe looked closer is my first thought.  OK, on to the center shape of the D with you (compare to known ones - should be no "flat" edge on the left), and the possible wire edge on the obverse and scalloping on the reverse. Now that I see the outside outline, I'm kind of getting on board with it. There's only the one reverse, and the one mint mark. That's why PCGS can be so sure of the die line. So you can compare Strong MM versions to see what you should see with yours. |
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I see the D and boy does the position and size look very similar. Fingers crossed for you!
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Without seeing the upper half of the reverse rim of this coin, there is absolutely no way to tell if it's a weak d or not.
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