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Hi all, I looking for a clear photo of the 1936 Dot/Bar 25 Cents or if none can be uploaded or referenced somewhere on the web then maybe just a confirmation or two if the Bar (crack) when with the Dot is in the exact same place as when it's just the Bar variety.
I have a VG8 Dot and what appears to be the Bar but given the Grade, it is very faint so I can only prove it through various angles & zooms, 10x to 120x.
Would ICCS be able to grade this & would they even go to the trouble of looking at it that much or would they not pick it up & write it off as just a Dot ?
Thanks in advance for any help & wisdom.
P.S. I also have a 1936 Bar (only) in EF45+ (in my opinion). Will try to get some photos together for yours.
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Welcome TKD..
Can you post some pictures of the coin and areas in question?
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The Coins and Canada page shot the Dot but the Bar is from the 36 dime. The bar on the quarter runs differently from one side of the ribbon to the other. From the picture I borrowed from somewhere. the bar runs diagonally downward from right to left and end just under the left ribbon. I might superimpose the dot into this or a similar image but if the crack is different on the dot variety, I'll be looking for the wrong thing. Thanks for your responses & I will try to condense and upload the images I took with my microscope for opinions that would be greatly appreciated.  |
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No bar there---especially if you cannot see it at X250.The bar to be a bar must be a clear bridge between the fields of the two bows.
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Yes but there is quite a lot of wear. The coin would only grade a VG-F so I would think the bar has lost some detail. Also, it does go right across but it's not evident from just one photo. But maybe you are right. Thanks for your input.
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I also believe the bar should be straight across horizontal not on a slant to be a proper bar variety?
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The Bar on the 36 dime runs straight across but with the quarter, it apparently runs diagonally down. If you do a search on ebay for graded 36 Bar quarters, you might find a close-up photo of a nicer grade which shows it well. The picture I posted above with the red arrows is not mine but is apparently the Bar variety. Also if you look to the right, there is another arrow which points to a continuation of the bar across the ribbon. |
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It is extremely unlikely that the bar on a '36 dot will be the same as the bar on a non-dot '36, they are from different dies and although cracked in the same approximate location it is unlikely they are identical. There are about 15 "36 bar quarters listed on ebay, every one with a decent pic shows the bar almost straight across. Your coin is not a '36 dot/bar. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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I found this on the calgary coins website : A die break between the ribbons of the reverse is found on some 1936 quarters creating the "bar" variety. It is seen regular and dot quarters, and varies in length and width, showing it occurs on more than one die. Only examples with a strong clear die break are considered to be "bar" variety. Edward VIII accessioned as King in 1936 and preparations to strike 1937 coins with his image were made but he abdicated so new designs for 1937 with the portrait of George VI were required. Masters for those dies were prepared in England but were not ready at the beginning of 1937 but coins were needed. 1, 10 and 25 cent coins were struck from 1936 George V dies, with a small dot below the date indicating used in 1937, but only the 1936 dot quarters were actually issued and available to the average collector. All 1936 dot 1 and 10 cent coins were destroyed with none issued, although a few 1 and 10 coins now exist in specimen strikes clouded in controversy as none were known prior to the mid 1940's when they suddenly appeared in the hands of a single collector. It is certain they were made at the Royal Canadian Mint and are not simply fakes, but when they were made is uncertain. Most 1936 "dot" quarters are very weak on the "CA" in CANADA due to excessive wear to that point on the dies, and while examples with a strong "CA" exist, they command prices higher than the weak ones. The prices in the trend sheet are for typical weak ones. A sub-variety of the 1936 dot exits with both the dot and the bar.  |
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I was just going to say the same thing as DBM.these are pictures of a 36 Bar showing the whole coin.   Edited by JimmyD
05/16/2015 4:52 pm
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DBM - You're Right! I stand corrected. The Bar seems very similar to the bar on the Dime.
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Thanks guys. Nice clear pic of the Bar robmck1967
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