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TaeKenDo Pillar of the Community Canada 737 Posts	Posted 05/14/2015 05:09 am * Topic split by Staff to its own thread. * I've got one I'm still trying to figure out... White Metal, doesn't look like paint or tarnish. Might be a casting based on the texture but pretty high quality considering the micro detail. Report this Post to the Staff

Altaira Pillar of the Community Canada 2519 Posts	Posted 05/14/2015 09:04 am Is the 1999 penny larger in diameter than normal? It might be what is called a " Texas Cent" in the US. The penny is hammered between two pieces of leather until the copper plating cracks and falls off. What's left is the zinc core. Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10458 Posts	Posted 05/14/2015 3:24 pm I have the same mystery coin, of the same date. It is larger diameter, thicker with a railroad style rim (both sides spilling outside the collar) and slightly bent (probably bent within the collar). I think it is a legit struck coin, I don't have any photos of mine (yet) but I am tempted to sent it to PCGS for their opinion. I realize, being bent in the collar that it will come back ungraded (Genuine) but I think the planchet itself is a slightly larger zinc planchet that was struck in the 1-cent press... seeing a second one (yours) has given me something to think about... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Report this Post to the Staff
Bob Levi Valued Member Canada 488 Posts	Posted 05/15/2015 12:12 am Is there a way to test if its zinc without damaging the coin? Report this Post to the Staff
TaeKenDo Pillar of the Community Canada 737 Posts	Posted 05/15/2015 01:42 am Thanks to staff for splitting this from the other post & not simply deleting it. I wasn't trying to hijack his, just contribute but I'll stay on topic next time or start another. No offense intended. SPP-Ottawa is correct, it is noticeably bigger and slightly oval or oblong and seems it would be easy to bend and is a wee bit bent. Not sure I want to try to bend it more or even straighten it out. If it was zinc, I'm not sure I would be able to bend it because bending a 1 cent with my fingertips is not easy. What doesn't show too well in the photos is a grainy or bubbling surface that I haven't encountered on regular copper cents. Maybe someone else has... Report this Post to the Staff
koinpro Pillar of the Community United States 1781 Posts	Posted 05/15/2015 02:21 am In my opinion these coins are most probably a form of post mint alteration. Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10458 Posts	Posted 05/15/2015 11:28 am How does one explain it being thicker _and_ larger diameter Ken? "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Report this Post to the Staff
mikediamond Pillar of the Community United States 2738 Posts	Posted 05/15/2015 5:46 pm I concur that this is a Texas Cent. The coin shows proportional expansion of the die-struck design on both faces, which is physically impossible. The proportional expansion, lack of copper plating, and bumpy surface are all characteristic of Texas cents. Error coin writer and researcher. Report this Post to the Staff
chequer Pillar of the Community Canada 4227 Posts	Posted 05/15/2015 6:19 pm I thought Texas Cent, but the coin didn't seem to lose any thickness. Is that normal? (I'd love to see a side-by-side shot of the thickness with the normal cent.) Report this Post to the Staff
ace_ftw Pillar of the Community Canada 1747 Posts	Posted 05/15/2015 6:32 pm texas cent, plated with something? Report this Post to the Staff
TaeKenDo Pillar of the Community Canada 737 Posts	Posted 05/15/2015 9:45 pm Side by Side Report this Post to the Staff
SPP-Ottawa Moderator Canada 10458 Posts	Posted 05/16/2015 02:13 am Quote: I concur that this is a Texas Cent. I completely disagree Mike... I revert back to my earlier question: how do you explain the larger diameter as well as a significantly greater thickness with that method? The laws of physics don't quite account for that, given how Texas cents are made... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US My eBay store Report this Post to the Staff
TaeKenDo Pillar of the Community Canada 737 Posts	Posted 05/16/2015 03:43 am Considering that the outer rim of both sides seems raised like a burr, if you were to shave of the excess, I think it would indeed be a tiny bit thinner. Caliper test shows the grayish cent to be approx 1/2 millimeter or 1/32" thinner. Would need a micrometer to do a more precise thickness test. Report this Post to the Staff
Fixguy Pillar of the Community Canada 532 Posts	Posted 05/16/2015 06:48 am I'd be interested in it's thickness just before the collar. It almost looks like it's been knurled. Got a micrometer? Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 05/16/2015 06:57 am (if you were to shave of the excess, I think it would indeed be a tiny bit thinner.) But wouldn't that also make it weight less? John1 Report this Post to the Staff
TaeKenDo Pillar of the Community Canada 737 Posts	Posted 05/16/2015 07:15 am Hmmm...hadn't thought of that but yeah, I guess it would. But then one could argue that without the copper coating, it would weigh less anyway. Report this Post to the Staff
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