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Goals When Buying Coins For Investment?

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 Posted 05/14/2015  4:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add caesar77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I wanted to get feedback from experts on the forum. My primary goal is to establish a collection to enjoy and display for years to come. Nevertheless a part of me likes the idea of buying coins to later sell for more. This could further fund the collection.

So, my first question is the importance aspects you feel are necessary if goal is to later sell a coin. I am beginning to think look matters more than anything else. I have a very rare Constantine I, however it is not particularly appealing. So, should I focus on Coin grade as primary objective when buying coins? EF say? I have avoided ebay and other sites because their coins simply are not up to par with say Heritage or CNG in terms of look. I have been advised by auction houses to focus on the look as a priority. It seems to make sense. If I acquire an ugly coin with no visible legend or even portrait and it is a Julius Nepos, let's say and rare, so what if you can't tell who the heck is on the coin.

Just wanted to throw it out there and get the thoughts form people who may have bought coins and sold them for more later.
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 Posted 05/14/2015  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is not a problem I have!
However, if your intention is to enjoy them whilst you have them, the look is very important. If you buy a coin just because of the re-sale value, but it is not nice to look at, it will just sit in the safe until you are ready to get rid.
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 Posted 05/14/2015  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was going to say you need to know your market. But it sounds as if you've had the advice. Certainly here in the UK, when I first started collecting then rarer coins were popular and maintained value if you wanted to sell later.

However in the last five or so years then condition has become the thing collectors want and pay for. Which rather matches the 'look' thing you've been advised to seek out by auction houses.

Personally I look for what I call 'eye appeal'. Often it's related to grade, but in certain instances it is possible for a more worn coin, because of balanced toning, clarity of design, a central strike on a full flan or some other factor, to actually be more appealing than a very crisply struck coin with weaknesses or on an odd shaped flan.

This does mean that it's not simply a matter of buying the highest grade you can find. It also helps a lot if you have a fair idea of what condition a particular coin type is usually found. Conditional rarity (ie a (possibly common) coin in uncommonly good condition) is something I actively look for. Its taken me some time to get a feel for what makes a coin pleasing to me and, generally speaking, I now find that such coins usually appeal to others and will keep pace with inflation if not increase in value over time.

Of course, there is no guarantee that 'eye appeal' will continue to be what other collectors look for. But I certainly enjoy my nicer looking coins more than lesser, although sometimes rarer, examples.

I must of course mention that I don't buy coins as investments. The above is just my experience with coins I have subsequently sold to upgrade. In many cases it's taken several (5 or more) years from purchase to have a good chance of getting my money back or making a profit.

Hope that helps.

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05/14/2015 4:58 pm
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Here are two examples, one of a common court with great appeal, one with a very rare pedigree but not appealing.

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I dont buy coins as future investments, you need to be really sure the price will go up and you did a great deal. otherwise it can turn into a big disappointment. dont rush, thats the best thing to do.. just wait for that deal youve been waiting for.
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First and most importantly if you want a "return" on your purchases it is important to live to an extremely ripe old age.

Secondly never overpay (which means learn to live with much disappointment) and buy what appears to be the coins 'de jure'.

Lastly always buy the best quality that the budget will allow. That's a tough one as it really depends on the "extent" of the collection. If you want to collect everything you will need a huge budget. Buying from 'reputable' dealers generally means paying market rates and high quality EF coins generally command premiums. Overpaying is an occupational hazard. Everyone has done.

Almost 30 years ago an 'illicit' hoard found it's way to Switzerland. The hoard contained 14 decadrachms which are considered the rarest of all denominations. Only 13 had been known to exist and all were in less than VF condition. The coins got 'scooped' by a trio of investors who paid 1.5 million for 14 XF decadrachms. The last one prior to sell had gone for $250K. A few were secretly sold and before too long the secret got out. Someone had near Unc decadrachms. A few people went to jail and the market for decadrachms took a big hit. I believe they go for around $35K today. Some people lost some serious money.

Investing in coins can be hazardous to your health !

Collect what pleases you !

Just make sure your widow doesn't break out the silver polish to clean up those "dirty old" coins before she sells them to a shark.
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05/14/2015 7:38 pm
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 Posted 05/14/2015  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add caesar77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the prudent and sage counsel!
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 Posted 05/15/2015  06:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom Goodheart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know nothing about ancient coins (I collect very late hammered) but I can see the second coin has 'eye appeal' and would look nice in any collection. The Constantine doesn't look bad at all to me, but I don't know anything about the type or its rarity.

One thing I would mention is that several of the coins I now own were previously in other collections, some quite notable. And while most will judge a coin just on its own merit, knowing that a particular example has passed through the hands of a known collection, or has been illustrated in an old auction catalogue or journal article, makes it more interesting to me and I will normally pay a premium for such. Especially if there is evidence (an old collector's 'ticket' or the availability of the auction catalogue in question) of such provenance.

Personally I spend a good deal of time (and occasionally not insignificant amounts of money on old sales catalogues) tracking back coins to auction sales in the earlier part of the last century. But when you can trace a coin back to a collection in 1919 and its subsequent sales to the present day there is a good deal of satisfaction to be had for the hard work!

I would therefore urge you (everyone really) to keep decent records of your purchases, particularly if provenance is given by the seller as this could affect future returns. Of course, people still seek nice examples and so a battered disk may struggle to make much even if it was owned by the King of England himself. Though I dare say, it wouldn't hurt!

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05/15/2015 06:02 am
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