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Hello, I found this article online about collectors specializing in coins graded PO-01. http://www.numismaticnews.net/artic...n-poor-coins It actually seems quite interesting to me. I wouldn't collect only those well-worn pieces, but I'd like to pick up a Morgan or an early Half in that grade. What are your opinions on the matter?
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We call this Lowballing, and it's a niche some are rather fanatical about. Don't look at my avatar.

As of right now, there's only collector pressure on Morgans and Peace dollars in this niche. It's simply not that popular for other issues save maybe Ikes, but that category is occupied by people who unabashedly admit they "manufactured" the wear so I'm not trusting it.

It started with Morgans, a subspecialty populated by people who are carefully studying their coins for varieties as it is, and this was a sort of organic outgrowth of collectors striving for "good" attributions of ever more worn examples.

Some issues do not lend themselves to Lowballing due to mint mark locations and speed of date wear. An appropriate P01 must be identifiable by date and mint mark and if they are not somewhat protected those features will wear away prior to the P01 point. Peace dollars are diabolical in this regard - they may or may not retain the MM into P01 condition and are a tough group from that standpoint.

This is just another one of the thousand different ways to collect, no more or less valid than anyone else's.
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If lowball collecting ever takes off in the UK then I'm going to regret selling a few duplicates of mine for silver content. or exchanging them with other collectors. I had a George III crown that would probably have graded P01.
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Another challenge of PO-01 collecting is that it very few coins that wear down that low do not also sustain some form of damage that would keep them out of a TPG holder. Typically one of the requirements for a PO-01 collector is that the coin will grade problem free.
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I like it. Sometimes I buy coins for their character rather. I'm not too much of a fan of a coin just because it's worth hundreds or thousands of dollars and you won't find many of those in my collection. You'll find some ugly beat up coins though and if they had a mouth they could tell one heck of a story!
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The article mentions that some collectors keep AG coins in their pockets, to wear them down and imitate the circulation. Is this considered 'cheating the system', or is it acceptable? I would personally rather buy a piece truly worn by circulation, due to the history, but I wouldn't mind a pocket-worn coin just as an interesting pocket piece.
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I readily admit to being a passionate fan of honestly circulated coins ... and lowball collecting certainly occupies a portion of my collecting efforts.

My interest started many years ago with a quest to collect the 50 coin type set of classic silver commemorative in honestly circulated state ... a quest that continues today one coin short of the goal.

The true collecting difficulty in lowball collecting is my statement of 'honestly circulated', coupled with verification of the coins specific date/mm.

Many (most) truly worn coins have suffered some sort of damage through their lifetime to render them as 'details' at any TPG. Honestly circulated coins in true lowball grade ranges are very difficult to come by.

Then there is the issue of specific validation of the coin date/mm ...

For one year type coins (1921 Peace $, many classic silver commemorative) the single year type alone suffices.

For all other series ... the coin must be identifiable by both date and mint mark - a tough putt indeed for series such as the Peace $ where the mint mark wears away ahead of the date.

For me it is an enjoyable and very challenging way to collect ... and adds some pleasure to by occasional pursuit of coins for my MS sets.

Bragging just a bit ...

I have the current #2 PCGS set of lowball Peace $ ... with seven PO01.

My PCGS #1 Walker set contains the only PO01 Walker ever certified by PCGS ... Pop 1 of over 367,000 coins certified by them. There is a thread somewhere at the CCF discussing this example.

And my true circulated passion classic silver commemorative set has taken over 8 years ... with alas only a single PO01 ... an outstanding 1893 Columbian Half that occupied a few pages here at the CCF discussing the date.

For many ... the pursuit of honestly circulated lowball coins is an enjoyable collecting challenge ... and not as easy as some might think.

David
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As there are many collectors who keep their collections within certain grades to maintain continuity, why not do the same for POor graded coins? It certainly sounds interesting if nothing else.
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Found that thread you mentioned, nickelsearcher: https://goccf.com/t/178161
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Nickelsearcher is not "fanatic," by the way. He's "thorough."
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Some collectors only collect lowballs.
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I would like to create a lowball Morgan, not mechanically, but by keeping it in my pocket for a while. My only piece in AG-3 is a 1904-S, which I don't want to use. Anyone have tips, objections or suggestions on where to find a good (common) coin to use?
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Anyone have tips, objections or suggestions on where to find a good (common) coin to use?


You can find well worn examples of common Morgans in a dealer's junk box. Then all you just have to keep it in your pocket for a few months to finish the job.
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Thanks, CC2012. The problem is that there is only one really big coin show in the area every year, and it just happened this month. There also aren't many good dealers nearby, as I live in rural King County, WA. I'll keep my eyes peeled, though.
As for how long it takes, I've heard estimates on this forum from a couple months to a decade. What actually causes the wear, is it the fabric of the pocket or does it need other coins rubbing against it?
By the way, I'm not planning on having it graded, I want to just keep it in my pocket as a novelty and a sort of 'numismatic ID', if you will. At least until the date & MM are in danger of wearing off.
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In Canada, this is also popular with our silver dollars... a coin like this one, is coveted by many trying to find worn examples from the late 1960s, and worth a premium well over melt value.

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