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kkirby99 Valued Member United States 231 Posts	Posted 05/19/2015 2:17 pm I just acquired this coin and wanted to share this very late die stage with you. Heritage has this late die stage with breaks and Cuds classified as an R.5 rarity. There's a lot going on with this reverse. Opinions on grade would be welcome also. Report this Post to the Staff

SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 05/19/2015 2:43 pm Utterly fascinating coin. The Mint must have been up against a very solid production requirement to allow a die to go this late into life; gravity seems the only thing holding it together. Is there any cracking about the date or head on the obverse? By this late a stage on the reverse, there ought to be. I have it as an upper-end EF with a good argument for AU50. Report this Post to the Staff
kkirby99 Valued Member United States 231 Posts	Posted 05/19/2015 2:56 pm The obverse just has a hint of a break joining the 6 and 5, otherwise it is completely intact. Maybe this was the last working reverse die the SF mint had and were forced to use it until it fell apart literally. There is a photo on Heritage of one where the die break joining the IC has joined the rim and turned into a full Cud so mine wasn't the last one out of the mint but it possibly was just hours away from the end. Edited by kkirby99 05/19/2015 2:59 pm Report this Post to the Staff
ExoGuy Pillar of the Community United States 4416 Posts	Posted 05/19/2015 2:57 pm Ditto on Dave's synopsis ... I couldn't have summed it up better. Cool coin! Report this Post to the Staff
MeadowviewCollector Pillar of the Community United States 4409 Posts	Posted 05/19/2015 3:11 pm One could put together a die state set of WB-103 for this date and mint mark. I have several different die states on my ebay watch list with most being low grade. Here is a later die state than yours (I think, but could be mistaking wear for Cuds) that I watched but didn't grab at the time http://www.ebay.com/itm/1865-S-Seat...p=true&rt=nc -MV Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 05/19/2015 3:20 pm This is the coin which has me wondering: http://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-half.../1216-4942.s It's obviously earlier than kkirby99's reverse, but the obverse die cracks are far more prominent. Report this Post to the Staff
kkirby99 Valued Member United States 231 Posts	Posted 05/19/2015 3:32 pm Quote: It's obviously earlier than kkirby99's reverse, but the obverse die cracks are far more prominent. This makes me believe that they had more than one obverse die available but only one reverse left to use until it died. Edited by kkirby99 05/19/2015 3:42 pm Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 05/19/2015 4:27 pm WB-103 is composed of two independent die pairs displaying similar undercutting of the 1 in the date, one being slightly stronger than the other. One of those pairs - known as Die Pair 7 - cracked in this fashion. It should probably only show recutting under the base of the 1. The other pair - apparently scarcer but there are far too few transactions of WB-103 to really have an opinion - didn't really crack too much. If what little cracking you can see runs in exactly the same fashion as the other Die 7 coins on record, it's only then a question of how fast the obverse developed compared to the reverse. It could have gone from uncracked to fully-developed in ten strikes, or it could have taken thousands. Photography plays a large role in the perceived strength of die cracks, as well. One can expect cracks to be more prominent than they may be in hand, as the thinnest of cracks will reflect direct lighting. Report this Post to the Staff
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