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Could use a grade and attribution. It is medium brown with fairly smooth surfaces, but has dark trace of a partial fingerprint on the chin and neck, which I doubt is removable.

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 Posted 05/19/2015  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdpmedia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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... I doubt is removable.


Have you attempted to apply acetone on the blemished area?

Here is just one of a multitude of older and newer threads to consider in order get it done correctly the first time without causing any further damage:

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=20509


XF-40

attribution: work in progress
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mdpmedia---I haven't tried anything on the coin, and I'm not comfortable to try acetone.
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Personally I don't think acetone would help. It's a very nice coin. I'd market grade this coin as a high XF. Attempting to help this coin you may make it worse. Acetone is safe to use on coins but I don't think it will help this coin out. Best to leave it alone. When I get home from work I'll try to attribute it. 1851 is a tough year to attribute.
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also doubt acetone would help. nice coin with xf45 to au 50 detail imho. I believe it is an N-17 with R-2 rarity according to Grellman.
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Celticsoul----I don't intend to play with the coin, but will leave it as is. Also, I have the Newcomb book but it drives me nuts trying to attribute these later date issues. I don't collect die varieties, but would like to know what they are for when I have to part with them.
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the lump between r and t in liberty and lump right of L in liberty are sure sign of N-17
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Could make AU50 details
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EF-45.
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Whew, there's actually 45 different varieties for an 1851 LC priced out in the most recent 2014 3rd edition of 'Penny Prices, a Price Guide for 1793 - 1857 HCs & LCs' by Noyes.

I certainly would appreciate learning some tips on how best to streamline this attribution process quickly but effectively when running through 45 exclusive possibilities.

For an XF40 grade the prices for this aforementioned year for the most part run about $ 150 on average with a few varieties such as N36/R5 and N44/R7 reaching as high as $ 1000 and $ 4500 respectively.

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Grellmans book and lots of practice helps with attributing but sometimes its very hard on worn coins. I have sent 5 coins to Bob Grellman so far and have been correct 4 out of 5 times. It is fun trying to find the rarer die varieties.
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Penny Prices grades are EAC grades not market grades. Also they are for average condition coins and the fingerprint on this one knocks it out of that category. Saying that an "average" EF-40 is $150 is way off base. Most might make $60 if they're lucky
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...an "average" EF-40 is $150 is way off base. Most might make $60...


Would it be correct to state that PP $ figures are retail somewhat similar in concept to the retail figures shown in

http://numismedia.com/fmv/fmv.shtml for non-variety coins?

From what I have experienced with numismedia, for example, paying more than 50% of these prices when buying a coin should be avoided.
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Xf details IMHO.
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