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1981 3/P Dime And Heavy Double Die On Rev./Obv.

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My first double die find.. Is it worth anything?


1981-3/P-Dime-And-Heavy-Double-Die-On-Rev./Obv.

1981-3/P-Dime-And-Heavy-Double-Die-On-Rev./Obv.
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Other things I noticed on Obverse: is what appears to be a 3 under the 1 in the date, a curvy line running down from the B in LIBERTY to IN GOD WE TRUST, and a weird bump on the rim next to the 1 in date.

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I'm not an expert on identifying doubled dies, but based on the late die state of the coin I'd have to say it's more likely to appear doubled from Die Deterioration.
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You need to get closer and clearer photos to determine if you have an RPM (repunched mintmark). I would not call this a doubled die.
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1981-3/P-Dime-And-Heavy-Double-Die-On-Rev./Obv.

1981-3/P-Dime-And-Heavy-Double-Die-On-Rev./Obv.

1981-3/P-Dime-And-Heavy-Double-Die-On-Rev./Obv.
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1981-3/P-Dime-And-Heavy-Double-Die-On-Rev./Obv.

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Put a defuser between the coin and light source so you can have less glare.
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Put a defuser between the coin and light source so you can have less glare.


A piece of 1 ply tissue can work to defuse the light enough to get rid of some of that glare he's talking about.
Try holding it at different distances from the light source till you get an image you like.

Might help.
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Wow! Defusing the glare with white sheet of paper was an outstanding idea! LOOK!!

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Good job EVA!
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Your photos got a lot better! What I see is Die Deterioration, which can cause doubling, thickening, twisting, etc., of design elements, orange-peel surfaces and heavy flow lines on the fields and designs. Random " Die Deterioration patches" will also occur on some dies that often take on "familiar" shapes like angels in the clouds (subject to one's imagination or desire to romanticize). This is the result of premature die fatigue due to improper heat treat or the extended use of dies, the later the unquestionably the runaway most common cause. It is inherent to die use. Die use eventuality decarburizes the surface of the steel at which point it begins to fail under repeated loads. While the extended use of dies can cause this on any die, high-speed minting accelerates the effect.

Here is an extreme example on a 1980-D Jefferson nickel. Coin submitted by Gary Kelly of MI May 2005.
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I agree. The aging process is showing very strong on your example. The devices are loosing the shape they had when the was new. Good example for Die Deterioration Ken.
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Thanks Coop! I just had to shoot that one. Today was the first time I used those images. They sat here for over a decade waiting for me to scan them.

I did film up until 2006 when I had to write a weekly series on the Minnesota quarter Doubled Dies for Numismatic News. There were too may new varieties every week and too many trips to COSTCO for one-hour processing.

One day, while waiting, I drove to the used camera shop and purchased a Nikon D-70 with lens for $600, an antique by today's standards but still going strong along with the D-100 I got for $100 a couple years later, set up next to it on a copy stand. But I digress ...

Bottom line is I'm having fun processing so many images never used due to nowhere to publish them.
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The first Sony Mavica FD-88 I bought was expensive then ($899). Recently I bought three of the the FD-100 for $9.99 plus shipping which came to a $25 purchase. I've stick with the old cameras. I know how to use them and they work great for what I am doing. They use the 3.5 floppies, but I can deal with that.
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Coop,
I know what you mean about sticking with the tried and true ... though I might be ready for an upgrade to something with automatic shake correction. I understand the images are far clearer from the start. Better than having to use Photoshop for this. I think the price is right now for a good used one. Maybe a Cannon?
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Wow Eva. Great improvement on those pics. That was an awesome photo!
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