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Native American Dollar Position A & B

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 Posted 05/22/2015  10:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add msPenny to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everyone, my first question post. I recently started collecting the Sacagawea/Native American Dollars. I noticed a couple of listings on ebay with these being offered as Uncirculated coins from US Mint Sets with mint marks P & D in Position A and B. So it is a 4 coin set. One seller states:

"You will get one P mint dollar and one D mint dollar in position A (upsidedown edge lettering) and one P mint dollar and one D mint dollar in position B (rightside up edge lettering)"

I was wondering if someone could share some info regarding Positioning. Would these be needed to complete a set?

Thanks
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 Posted 05/22/2015  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Position is what way the collar was facing when the coin was struck. the collar is the part of the press that puts the design in the edge of the coin. I don't know why there are 2 positions though. Interesting. You can complete a set with just 1 of the positions per each coin. It really doesn't matter.
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I think I remember reading something about it saying it dosent add value either way. I don't collect sac's though and it's a kinda vauge type memory
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So Native American (and Presidential) dollars are edge incused with the year, mint mark, motto, stars. That is, those pieces of information are imprinted on the edge of the coin. This we all know.

For circulating quality and uncirculated quality coins, the edge incusing operation happens in a separate step after normal striking. In the second step, the coins are fed into the incusing machine randomly, causing "A" and "B" positions. Because they're incused so that the letters read right-to-left, there will be some coins where the lettering is right-side-up with respect to the obverse and others with lettering upside-down with respect to the obverse.

Statistically speaking the distribution of A and B positioning for these coins should be 50-50. The proverbial (and literal in this case) flip of a coin. Assuming that's true, A or B wouldn't hold any special value, but might be another "variety" for certain collectors.

For proof coins, edge incusing is part of the strike process, using a 3-piece collar. Because of this, the edge lettering is always right-side-up with respect to the obverse (and in the same orientation as well), thus no A/B positions for proof coins.

Read all about it right from the mint here: http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs...=EdgeIncused

Hope this helps.

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Thanks so much for the replies and the great info. Also, thanks for the reminder about the Learn section on the Mint website. I tend to get tunnel vision in the Shopping section when visiting there.
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I tend to get tunnel vision in the Shopping section when visiting there.

Easy to do!
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Statistically speaking the distribution of A and B positioning for these coins should be 50-50. The proverbial (and literal in this case) flip of a coin. Assuming that's true, A or B wouldn't hold any special value, but might be another "variety" for certain collectors.


True an A position should have no premium in value over a B position however, in my opinion, you would not have a complete set without both.
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