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This doesn't seem to match any of the known Snow varieties. Weak strike or strike-through on feather tips and shield. You can get a definitive opinion by contacting Rick at http://www.indiancent.com |
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I really need to buy Rick Snow's attribution guide. I went back under the microscope and see what may be faint (sw) doubling on the 8. So I think that would make this a Snow-3? I've never sent anything to him before, is he open to checking out pictures like this by email?
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He might check via email, but usually he would request you send it to him for examination. He charges a very modest $4 for an attribution.
The position of the date rules out S-3. This coin was struck using very deteriorated dies, causing the design to look very mushy. Also, the lack of denticles on parts of the coin is evidence of either deteriorated dies, or a weak strike. Seeing full detail on the lower feather tips, I would say this is just deteriorated dies.
Maybe that could explain the things going on in the date. If you really think it is a RPD, you should send it to him. In the last few months, I had him verify a new variety for 1906, S-61.
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I know that is the kind of coin that if I had it, I'd never even notice. Due to it's grade I'd just put it in my Albums. Nice find.
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Like you guys determined already, I don't see a Snow match. One thing that is interesting is the date is very far to the left, more-so than all the Snow varieties. Hard to say about the RPD, I could see it just being well-placed die chips.
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something to me looks "off" about the coin....the mouth/face area just don't look legit...and the position of the date is far too the left....as well as the "One Cent" on the reverse....I'm thinking counterfeit.
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Well, I would never rule anything out. I have seen a couple of graded 1864's no L with similar date placement right under the bust. But I thought that the date doubling, die clash and die crack looked "authentic" so those were some of the reasons I bought it.
Are there Not Allowed coins out there that have date doubling? It would seem very sophisticated to me, but I am not an expert and am now wondering if this is in fact a fake...
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The coin looks fine to me. I don't know if a counterfeiter would incorporate a reverse die clash?
Sorry, I don't have Snow's book, so I can't help attribute the variety.
Edited by razorblaydejr
06/02/2015 10:41 pm
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Pennynickelguy, there is no doubt in my mind that it's authentic. All features are correct including the Shallow "N". I was just pointing out that it can't be an existing variety due to the date position. It's either a new variety or a very deteriorated die with some well placed cracks/chips. It is a neat coin either way  |
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Judging by your photographs, the 864 appears to be widely repunched to the west. In addition, there is a strong possibility that the reverse is rotated as evidenced by the clash marks on the reverse.
I am sure that he will attribute it, but he will want to see it personally to make an accurate attribution.
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There are signs of a pretty good clash on the reverse of the coin. Could that just be some clashing from the shield underneath the date?
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Well, it's been a long time since this thread started, but I finally got around to emailing to Rick Snow and the results are great. It's a new variety S-14!  |
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Way to go, nice find! Rick is a good guy, I've known him since his early days at Goldman Rare coins in Tucson, he was just starting out. Very nice to be the discovery piece finder of a new variety, especially in a series so collected and studied.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Pennynickelguy, may I use your images for inclusion in my web book: http://indiancentvarieties.com.fqdn...t/index.htmlIf so, your coin will be the plate coin for that variety and I will credit you with the images. Thank you for your kind consideration and congratulations on the discovery!! David Edited by indiancentvarieties
01/31/2016 05:36 am
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That is awesome to discover a new variety. Congratulations and an awesome coin. Are you gonna send it in to be slabbed
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