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1947 S Wheatback Ghost?

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I believe this is what Mike refers to as Progressive Indirect Design Transfer. Ken calls it Internal Metal Displacement Phenomenon. AKA, Ghosting. It is caused by design transferred to the die through repeated coin strikes.
Most of it is on the reverse on this cent. You can see Lincoln. It's so neat I thought I'd share.


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 Posted 05/30/2015  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty cool. I've seen it on the Memorial cents also.
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I have another, a 2001 nickel. I posted it here and that's how I know what this one is.
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 Posted 05/30/2015  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty common. Happens when the dies are too worn or too far apart. You can find a lot of these on early branch mint LWCs
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Interesting looking. Common but cool.
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Same die? Submitted by Robert Pelletier 12/6/09.
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Not the same, the mint mark looks way off. Maybe it has more to do with the way they are struck than it does with the dies? They are the same year and mint.
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Could this also be attributed to the reverse on the1973-D that I see alot of the time?
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Progressive design tranfer:
Often seen on wheat cents:
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Also seen on Memorial cents:
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Here is how Alan Herbert described it many years ago in his book, The Official Price Guide To Mint Errors:

Heavy die transfer: When a die nears the end of its usefulness, often it exhibits the major central design of its opposing mate. This design is transferred from one die to the other through the striking of the coin metal. Alan Herbert gives this illustration: "The best example I can offer of this phenomenon is the toy which you've all seen which has five or six metal balls hanging in a row, touching each other. When you pull back the end ball and allow it to strike the row, it causes the ball at the far end to swing away from its neighbor. The same thing occurs with design transfer, the outline of the design being transferred from one die to the other." (Alan Herbert, Minting Varieties and Errors, fifth edition, New York: House of Collectibles, 1991, page 158). This variety is fairly common on the early wheat cents. It is often called the "ghost of Lincoln." The technical term for this is IMPD (Internal Metal Displacement Phenomenon).
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Very interesting. I understand it better after that explanation.
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It's very common.
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Yes, very common- on wheatbacks, mercurys, old Jeffersons, etc. As Kid so aptly stated it, " Common but cool." Give me a minute and I'll show one not so common, as it is a Jefferson of recent vintage.
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Sorry to change the time period so much, but this is also extremely common in medieval coins, especially Long Cross issues from England. This coin, from my collection, is an AR Groat of Edward III, struck in the 1350s. You can clearly see the cross showing through to the obverse and covering the whole face of the coin. This is probably due to the fact that the piece is rather thin.

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It is called a Newton's cradle:
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