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This will be the stupidest question to come from a pillar in a wile but can someone explain to me what exactly a flip is and how to use one?

I have only used 2x2 but I bought an ancient coin a looong time ago on impulse and I think it is in a flip. It is like 2 2x2 hinged together. One side is open and I can pull out the written description but the other side is stuck shut, the side with my old copper.

WHat are these called (coin flip comes up with fliping a coin in google) and how do I seal/open them.

They would be great to do write ups for my ancients but I just never seen them for sale before.
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I've seen the mylar flips used like it sounds like you're describing: one side with the paper description and the coin in the other side, sometimes sealed with a heat sealer. Usually, I believe, they're just kept open though. This is what I'm talking about:

http://www.collectorssupplyhouse.co...wsflipps.htm

*although this says they're made of vinyl, I believe they're PVC free - may want to check that if you order any though.
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Perfect, thank you to the moon and back, must have been a heat sealer. I picked it up at AP Bullion or Coin Pocket or whatever they call themselves, you must know who I am talking about.

They are just like what ICCS uses. The seconded I get some cash flow I will place an order from Collectors Supply Home. They have a book on Wade I want too so I mise as well go all out.
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First, some terminology. I'm also well aware that some people use different words to describe the same things.

These are 2x2s: cardboard holders with mylar film which the coin is pressed inside and held in place either by staples or "self-adhesive". They also come in 1.5x1.5 and 2.5x2.5 size, though I tend to still call them "2x2s" to avoid confusion.

These are coin flips. The entire thing is made of mylar or some similar (hopefully inert!) plastic. It comes in two halves; a coin coin be inserted in one half and a piece of paper or cardboard can be inserted into the other half. The plastic is usually of a kind that can be heat-sealed; both the coin-side and the card-side can be sealed, if the user wishes. Once sealed, they can't be reopened or reused without breaking them; I don't usually bother sealing them for my ancients.

Your coin supplier should have flips available, or know a local supplier. Failing that, next time you buy an ancient coin from FORVM, order some flips as well, they sell them too; I bought a pack of 500 off them years ago and still have half of them left. Wherever you get them from, make sure they're not PVC! There are still suppliers and users of PVC flips out there. A quick test: if the flip is a rigid plastic that is difficult to bend, it's probably OK, but if it's soft and pliable, then it probably PVC or something just as bad that's chock-full of acidic plasticizers.
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I believe they recommend an Impulse heat sealer.
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The "pocketed" 2x2 (and other sizes, as Sap aptly points out) are generally used as a temporary storage medium.

The EAC (Early American Copper) recommends 2x2 paper envelopes with a soft cotton liner. Much more difficult to use as the coin must be removed from the envelope then the cotton liner bag, before it can be studied.

The plus side to the pocketed 2x2's is the amount of information one can write on them, same goes for the envelope. As for Ancient collectors, I am more accustomed to seeing these coins in the paper envelopes with the pertinent information written on the outside. Can't say I've seen many ancient dealers or collectors using the cotton liner bags though.

Sap also made a very valid and important point that the softer flips probably contain PVC plasticizers in them, which can cause damage to coins if stored in them for extended periods, they tend to outgas and release a hydrochloride gas that can turn into acid which will eventually etch into the surface of the coin stored in them. The PVC flips are used by dealers as they are soft, easy to put coins into and remove, and don't crack or scratch the coins high points with hairlines. The major grading services like PCGS, ANCAS and NGC all request that they receive coins in the large (2.5" x 2.5") soft PVC fips as they are safe for short term storage and are easy to get the coin out of when time for grading.

That said NEVER, NEVER, NEVER store your coins in the soft flips for any extended time (more than a month or so) especially in a humid and warm environment. This will accelerate any damage that could occur.

The harder flips are usually safe and will say so by each manufacturer, look for Saf-T-Flip, or archival quality labels. The big downside to these types of holders is they are tough to get a coin into and out of (I often ruin my cuticles using them, blood on coins is probably not a good thing), they can cause scratching/hairlines on uncirculated coins, the flips are brittle and can crack, they scuff easily over time and make for an ugly holder.

I personally use the cardboard with mylar flips stapled (many collectors hate these for that reason) staples can and do scratch coins, I use the flat cinch stapler now, but for years I used a pair of needle nose pliers and flattened each staple carefully by hand. They adhesive type I've never liked as I don't want adhesive near my coins, and I also worry that over time the adhesive material will outgas and could potentially damage my coins. When I remove coins from the cardboard flips, I use a razor blade to cut the around the mylar circle to release the coin over a padded jeweler's tray. Most staple scratches are caused by novices pulling the cardboard flips apart and sliding the coin out.

There are many other types of coin holders made also, Capital Plastics makes plexiglass holders where the coin sits in a hole and is sandwiched by clear sheets of plexiglass held together with plastic screws, There are the whitman hard plastic snap-lock holders (I find coins can rattle around in them, and they scuff up too easily on the outside), Coin World offers a small slab type holder that snaps together. Intercept holders another plastic snap holder in 2x2 sized square with an inert liner cut to fit various sized coins. Lighthouse (usually found in Europe more often than the USA) makes various lines of similar high quality holders, many of which are designed to snap into pages or albums they also make (expensive). One can also purchase small capsules (air-tites) that cover a coin in a round shape, some fit the coins directly some have sized inert washers to hold the coin.

One last trick I've used with the 2x2 flips successfully (as do many dealers and TPG's), is to get small poly bags (usually 1.75" wide by 3" long, and drop the coin into them, before putting them into the soft PVC flips, this offers protection against outgassing and PVC damage over time.

We haven't even touched on various albums yet.
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