Us$2200 For A 1780 Maria Theresa Thaler, And I'm Happy!!!

Pretty cool, are you going to have it silver plated?

Joe Paonessa

Very funny Joe!! see you in a couple of weeks

Henry you will find it in Hafner's book under H 67. It was struck in Birmingham.

ON the reverse: look at the Hungarian cross( 1st quadrant;ie upper left). It has the Brussels mint identifier( only two cross bars instead of three).

On the obverse: Look at the pearls in the diadem. There are only 7 (the usual is 8). There is a gap where the left most pearl should be.

Whats important about it... its known to be struck in Birmingham, Only eight trial strikes came from that mint. They are practice strikes made while setting up the press(es) to ensure every thing is working well. Probably struck in 1949. This coin has already told me a lot.

Such as:

the quality of the strike is similar to the business strike Brussels/Birmingham coins in my collection. That tell me they all came from the same master dies.

and: in 2010 Another collector had an example and shared photos with me it looked to us like the edge iron join point on the edge was the identifier between Brussels and Birmingham, my example doesn't have the same marking..so it means that identifier isn't valid. Thats a little disappointing but I know more than I did a week ago, (even though it means I actually know less than I thought I did!!)

This copper trial is very slightly smaller( diameter) than a production strike. That may be causing the difference. I would now say with considerable confidence that there is unlikely to be an identifiable difference between Birmingham and Brussels mint coins....so we should just combine them into one variety.

Fo me its a huge find numismatically speaking...from the collectors point of view did I mention there were only 8 struck( and I have one !!)

Hi Ian, if what your guess is correct, it would be a great conclusion - does this means H67=H68 is established?

To me, I can never find any Birmingham piece for years as the neeed of the compliance of the edge identifier - one joint point rather than the usual 2 points.

If this rule is broken, some of my Brussel pieces would become the Birmingham pieces but I could never work out which is which as both Birmingham and Brussel pieces were from the same die.

Do I interpret your conclusion wrong?

Henry