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Yuan You Tong Bao 1 Cash Coin? And Unknown

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Hello all,

ive got 2 chinese coins here. One looks similair as an coin I posted yesterday only it is a litle bit smaller. Looks like Yuan You Tong bao coin. And then probably one cash?

The other is unknown to me.

Is it common that older chinese coins only have been struck on one side? And that later on both sides had signs?



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 Posted 06/08/2015  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you'll find they are both the same type - and both are actually Yuan Feng tong bao, issued 1078-1085. Your reading is probably off-put by (a) the legend reading clockwise, rather than the top-bottom-right-left of more modern cash, and (b) the use of "running script", a very messy, ink-on-paper-looking writing style. The slightly different writing styles give them separate Hartill numbers: left is "small characters" 16.236, right is "large characters" 16.235. Both these types have a rarity rating of 15: very common.

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Is it common that older chinese coins only have been struck on one side? And that later on both sides had signs?

First off, these coins are not "struck", they are "cast".

But yes, it is fairly common for older Chinese coins to have no inscription on the reverse, only a blank circle-and-square. Sometimes, there are mint-marks and, on some issues, date-numerals.
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Sap beat me to it and is right again. I really like the one on the right. If they are the size of a US quarter or smaller (usually 23-25mm), then they are 1-cash coins.

@Sap

There are some issues from the 5 Dynasties and 10 Kingdoms period that are arguably struck with wooden dies because their style matches no other cash coin produced previously or thereafter. They are the lead versions of the Qian Heng Zhong Bao, which would make sense since lead is a soft metal. But the fact that cash coins were predominantly cast from antiquity to 1912 makes it likely that these lead issues were also cast.
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Thanks alot! Funny fact that coins in Europe from that age are almost always rare. As there were not alot of coins in these periods. 1000-1100 .
If they were very common in china there are tons of them probably.
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I only have about 500 from that era. I paid about $0.30 apiece for them.
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