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1837 Capped Bust Dime - Is This A Jr-4 Variety?

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There are only 4 die pairs for 1837, the last year of the capped bust dime series. I have tentatively identified this dime as a JR-4 variety.
The problem is, that every single example of JR-4 I have seen has a prominent die crack bisecting the obverse from 12:00 to 5:00. This is actually a key diagnostic for the 1837, JR-4.
I have examined this coin with a loupe, and there is absolutely no trace of that die break, none. Can anybody help verifying this? Or is this another variety that I am somehow missing.

Thanks!

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I don't know about the variety, but it very well could be it. The dies were at one point all nice and new with no cracks. So this would make it an earlier die state. Are you catching what I am throwing?
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JR-3, I think. It and JR-4 share a reverse while 1 through 3 all have the same obverse characterized by where Star 7 points. JR-4 has a unique obverse.
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Yes it is JR-4. A couple of the positions of the letters in the motto comparred tot he letters above don't seem to quite match up but that could just be because the image isn't taken straight on. It can't be JR-3 because because it has a fancy 8 in the date and only JR-4 has that.
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Thank you for your help.

In the meantime I have been able to view a JR-4 in an online archive which is also lacking the obverse die brake. What had me puzzled was that of all of the JR-4's that I viewed (which must have been approx.35
individual examples, ALL of them had the break.

So, early die states of JR-4 appear to be scarce, but do exist. Apparently the die broke very soon after entering operation. This, as I have read, is due to the use of new steam presses which put much stress on the dies.
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It can't be JR-3 because because it has a fancy 8 in the date and only JR-4 has that.


Fair enough, and a terrific catch on the date.

So, what we have here is a JR-4 with no die crack. They're not unknown, just extremely rare.

http://coins.ha.com/itm/bust-dimes/.../1201-8639.s
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I don't know bust dimes. I don't know much about many of the coins you post GERMANICVS, but I get a lot of enjoyment viewing them here.
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Can someone pass me a link to identify the JR of my 1835 Bust Dime please? Thanks. Jeff
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Jeff,

http://rob.com/russ/collection/ has pictures of all 9 varieties for 1835. You can also use Heritage Auction archive for closer pics of the pick up points.

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Thank you MeadowviewCollector! Jeff
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