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Pillar of the Community
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Coins dated 1964 were struck from 1964 to 1966.
Is there any way through die variety to determine exactly what year these coins were struck?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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So they continued to strike silver coins in 1966 on 1964 dies. I think somewhere something is mixed up.
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Pillar of the Community
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No , that was the point of the frozen date . Coin collectors were erroneously being blamed for the coin shortage of the mid 1960 s
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I always though the Mint kept striking them because there was a lot of coin silver left, and 1965 and later coins had to be clad. I don't know how to determine what year they were made, though.
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06/08/2015 8:42 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I just looked it up and into 1965 they used 1964 dies on 1964 stock. I did not know this. I don't think there would be a way to detect the date a coin was struck.
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Pillar of the Community
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Just like we can't tell which mint a 1965-7 coin came from, I don't think we can do this, either.
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United States
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Unfortunately, I'm not a specialist in this period. I'll bet there is a way though... through careful examination of die markers and die marriages.
Unless all of the dies were made fresh for clad coins... I'll bet there is a way. I think it's likely that nobody has cared enough to figure it out yet. Would be an interesting study!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Unless someone was to positively identify specific dies to specific mints and there was tell-tail markers involved there is no way to tell which mint made what coins in 65, 66 and 67. Same goes for what year 64 coins were made (or 65's for that matter as they were made into 66.)
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By law the Mint cannot strike coins in any year other than the date on the coin. The one exception was in December 1963 some trial strikes of the Kennedy half were made to show Jacqueline Kennedy for her approval and some modifications were made on her behalf one of which turned out to be the enhanced hair variety. They certainly would not use two different alloys of stock at the same time in 1965. The reason there were no mint marks used from 1965 to 1967 is that the proof coining equipment was transferred from Philadelphia to the San Francisco Assay Office and the Philadelphia Mint output was very low and the Mint did not want to have people hoard the P Mint coins as they did the 1950-D nickels. The Mint went to a 40% silver clad half and ceased 90% dimes and quarters because so many people hoarded the 1964 dated coins as soon as they were released due to JFK's popularity. That is why you don't see very many 1964's in low grade, they just did not circulate. |
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By law the Mint cannot strike coins in any year other than the date on the coin. True, but this was a special case approved by congress (and signed into law by the president) to alleviate a coin shortage. Also, the reason for no mint marks was to discourage collectors. Without mint marks, they only took from circulation half of what they would normally take. Here is a good article... http://www.numismaticnews.net/artic...y_collectorsQuote:
... The date freeze bill was signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson on Sept. 3, 1964. Five days later, the Treasury Department announced that coins minted after Jan. 1, 1965, would be dated 1964.
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The last 90 percent silver quarters were struck in January 1966, the last silver dimes in February of that year, and half dollars in April 1966. The change to normal dating began on Dec. 29, 1965, when the dates on cents and nickels were changed to 1965. The date 1965 was used until July 31, 1966, when the date was changed to the current one, with normal dating resumed on Jan. 1, 1967.
After all these years, and study of detailed coin characteristics, no one has ever determined how to tell where a coin was minted with the dates 1965, 1966, or 1967, when mintmarks were not used. Record numbers of coins were made at all three mints, while production dropped off in 1968 and 1969, after the coin shortage had ended. |
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United States
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They did change the rev hub of the quarters for the 65 clads. There are some 1964 quarters known struck using the 1965 hubs. Since the 1965's were not struck until the latter half of 1965 those 1964 quarters would have had to have been struck in 1965.
As Jbuck pointed out, while the law says the coins must bear the date of the year they were struck that can be overridden by subsequent legislation. Another case where this was done was with the bicentennial coins. The 1974 date was frozen on the quarter, half and dollar until July of 1975. And the 1976 bicentennial coins began production in July of 1975. It is also commonplace for the mint to strike a stockpile of coins for the coming year in Nov or Dec. The Mint takes to position that as long as they don't release them before the first of the year they are within the intent of the law if not the letter of it.
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Hey, that's interesting Conder101 - I'm going to do some research to see if I can figure out the difference!
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