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After three years of collecting modern I have finally bought my first medieval coin! Until now, medievals and ancients have either been too worn-out or too expensive... but this silver piece was only $4 so I took a chance on it. So I have a couple questions...

- The envelope says it's 1 dirham from the Mongol Empire in Iran, issued by Uljaitu (or Öljaitü), dating between 1304 and 1317. How do people ever figure this stuff out?

- Are the exact date and mint location written on this somewhere, or is it just a general type?

- Can a 700-year-old silver coin really be worth less than $5? Have I just been missing out?
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Common ancients will go for surprisingly little sometimes, even silver ones. I recently picked up a few Arabic silver pieces from a dealer's junk bin. As for the date, I'm not sure about these, but I can tell you that Western coins generally did not include a date until the 16th century. Because of this, it is often impossible to pinpoint the exact year that a coin was minted. For example, I have an English silver groat of Edward III, which could have been minted any time between 1351 and 1361. These dates are known, but the year the coin was actually minted remains a mystery and likely always will.
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Here is a thread I made not too long ago on the same coin type, it should answer you question. https://goccf.com/t/215061
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How do people ever figure this stuff out?

The same way that people figure out where mediaeval European coins are from, or modern Islamic coins: they read the writing on the coin, and compare it to known historical records to see if such a king from such a place is known to exist.

Just because the writing is difficult for you or I (or even a modern Arabic-speaker) to interpret, does not mean it is untranslatable.

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Are the exact date and mint location written on this somewhere, or is it just a general type?

The Muslims were early pioneers of routinely putting the date and mintmark on coins - though to be fair they copied the concept from the Sassanian Persians after they'd conquered them. The standard formula is a sentence which reads something like "This dirham was struck in Baghdad in the year five and twenty and three hundred". However, as time went on, the date and mint-name often got pushed to the outer extremities of the coin, where they are often either worn (or clipped) away, poorly struck or missing off the flan altogether. On your coin, as stated in the example echizento linked to, are on the obverse, which is the left pic on your coin. I'm not sure there's enough of the obverse outer legend on your coin to read anything meaningful.

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Can a 700-year-old silver coin really be worth less than $5? Have I just been missing out?

If it's common enough, yes. And there are currently 106 examples of this basic coin type (in both the dirham and double-dirham versions) over on the zeno.ru pages.
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The Romans sort of put dates on some of their coins. The emperor regularly held consulships and they would be numbered, so if a coin had a COSIII after the emperors name and you know in which year he held that consulship then you can figure out the mint year.
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