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189x-O Barber Half - PO-1

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I've shared numerous topics on the pursuit of lowball coins ... and have a Barber half dilemma for the CCF to consider.

There is a large numismatic difference between a coin worn to (or beyond) PO01 state and a coin certifiable at PO01.

In order to certify as PO01, a coin must meet all five of the following conditions:

1. Specifically identifiable by type.
2. Specifically identifiable by date and mint mark.
3. Un-molested, original surfaces.
4. Undamaged, e.g., no graffiti, significant scratches, gouges, rim dings, etc.
5. Circulation wear to the PO01 state.

One nuanced exception to the above is the case of single year type coins which can be 'verified' without evidence of the date/mm. Examples include the 1921 (High Relief) Peace dollar and many classic silver commemorative.

I'm quietly pursuing a set of lowball Barber half dollars ... currently have 8 of the coins certified as PCGS PO01.

Recently acquired the following Barber half ... original, undamaged surfaces and wear to the PO01 state.

Problem statement ... are there sufficient diagnostics to determine if the final date remnant is a '2' or a '3'?

189x-O Barber half dollar -PO01

189x-O-Barber-Half---PO-1

Enlargement of the date area ... best I can do with my point-and-shoot photography:

189x-O-Barber-Half---PO-1

In hand I'm leaning towards 1893-O ... although PCGS might return it with the dreaded Code 86 (authenticity unverifiable).

Thoughts?

David
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The curl of the "2" in an 1892 is distinctively different than that of a "3" in 1893. Furthermore The holes in the 8 and 9 of an 1893 are more Oval when compared to the better rounded holes of a the 8 and 9 in 1892. The "1" in 1892 is also thinner than than the 1 in 1893. The coin you posted is very likely an 1893-O IMO.
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Well shut my mouth.
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I think it's a 1892 o....you can see the base of a 2 slightly if you focus on the bottom
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1893-O from here..
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I see an 1893 for the date.
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I agree with 1893, and zxcccxz's assessment
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Thank you for the valued input ... zxcccxz analysis is exactly what I was hoping for.

When submitted to PCGS it will go in as an 1893-O dated coin.

We'll see what the wizards have to say about that.

David
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I've studied this long and hard, and came to the conclusion that it's a really tough call. It'll be interesting to see what PCGS thinks.

If you ask me, I thinks its probably an 1893. The top of the last letter is thick at the top, whereas the 2 of an 1892 is very thin and curvy. Just my opinion.
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If anyone is still interested in viewing the specific diagnostics, please see the picture I have made below:

189x-O-Barber-Half---PO-1
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Thanks zxcccxz.

Your text description was sufficient ...the comparative photographs show the difference beyond a doubt.

David
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1893-O PO-1
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