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8 Anna Coin Fake?

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I received this from a seller in India today.
I don't have another coin to judge this one by but it looks like a fake to me.
on the obverse the legend is pristine but the bust has wear and there is a big "blob" below the Kings eye.
Also get a load of that bloody ear
On the reverse the design looks all mushy or cast like.
It isn't magnetic But it just looks all "Wrong" to me.
Opinions are welcomed on this

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 Posted 06/29/2015  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although only a scarce type, I have never personally seen an 8 anna, fake or genuine, in over 50 years of my collecting experience.

Normally, I would say:
'Do a comparative ring tone test, against a known genuine coin.'

That may well be impossible, in this case.

I also have my suspicions, based on pictures alone, enough to say 'fake'.
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 Posted 06/29/2015  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matttheriley to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin is supposed to be a re-strike, right? is that what I am seeing on the lettering on the obverse "George" especially.
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This coin is supposed to be a re-strike, right? is that what I am seeing on the lettering on the obverse "George" especially.


What I am seeing is a die cast with some re tooling done to the mold especially on the legends
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 Posted 07/10/2015  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PatAR to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not too familiar with this series, but that coin certainly looks cast to me.
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Nasty cast.
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 Posted 07/10/2015  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
[ia[ It is a cast coin. Fake.
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 Posted 07/28/2015  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paxbrit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cast fake. Look at the surface, it appears the same as an iron skillet. That's a giveaway.

Another is the relief of the King-Emperor, it's visibly low. Compare it to a genuine One Pie piece of the same era, you'll see it right off. Pice coins are cheap enough for a nice reference.

Thirdly, look at the perimeter of the coin. Die struck coins are made under pressure in precision matched dies, the metal will flow evenly. Cast coins are not under nearly the pressure, and one side of the perimeter generally will have a bit of overflow metal that must be removed after the cast. They are made by filling the lower half of the mold, then pressing the upper half of the mold into the surface of the slag in the lower half. Pressure is very low, and uneven. Some metal will ooze out of the gap between the molds. The perimeter will show filing or grinding marks of an uneven nature and/or be of differing widths. On the reverse of this coin, you can just see a little bit of remaining rim at 10 O'clock on the edge where the counterfeiter thought it was 'good enough' to pass.

Injection molding turns up sometimes, and often the separate halves are cast separately, the blank backs ground smooth and flat, and joined together. Check the rims for a line around it, and a reeded edge for signs of tooling. Also look for crooked and overlapping reeding.

Lastly, weigh and measure the coin. The book weights are accurate and anything other than 0.1 - 2.0 % difference for wear is telling. The coin pictured should be spot on, maybe 99.8% of the given weight. Diameter should be exact.
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 Posted 09/08/2015  06:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add agandau to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a fake one of these too, though not cast like yours but pressed. I think there are a lot of imitations of these because they are rare.

I got mine from a 'scrap coin box' some decades ago in India.
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Although you may not have a genuine coin with which to compare,
generally speaking, cast fakes do not ring vey well.
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I sent a consignment of Australian pre decimals, Brit coins and Indian coins to PCGS I added the 1919 and 1920 8 anna coins to the batch.
They should be graded in the next few weeks, There is no way that these will get a grade if they are Fake .
I am pretty certain they are both "Dodgy" But on the "Off chance" that I am wrong it would be nice to fill that 8 anna gap in my Set Registry.
I will post the results as soon as I get them
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The fact the lettering on the obverse is not worn when the portrait is worn should be a red flag.

Also the reverse looks grainy, unsure if its your camera or the coin surface itself.

I am not familiar with this coin but I am leaning toward fake.
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I know this post is late .
Paxbrit - That was an excellent mini-tutorial for identifying FAKES. I'm going to print it out and nail it to my wall for reference. Thanks for sharing your knowledge andb experience. Jack
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I think it is a cast fake and agree with all of the other criticism. But although there is no way to be sure, is it anyone's opinion that it is recent or closer to contemporary?
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I just got the results back from PCGS on these (Finally) and my suspicions have been confirmed.
Both 1919 and 1920 coins are Counterfeit
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I was particularly curious abut this coin.
Ta for the final feedback.
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