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1857 LC Triple Strike?

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I do not collect errors, but when this 1857 LC became available I couldn't pass it up, simply because I've never seen anything quite like this "error" before, and especially since it was on a key date coin in a very popular series in what I consider EF 40 or perhaps 45 grade.

I would greatly appreciate any help anyone can offer to designate exactly what this is. The denticles in the hollows are raised, so this isn't another large cent "pounded" into this cent. I hope I've provided photos that will answer these questions.

Last, since I'm trying to get a group of coins ready to ship to NGC I would appreciate your opinions as to cleaned/not cleaned. It doesn't look like it to me, and there are certainly no scruff marks or parallel lines, but I know there are some seriously good folks here that can give me an honest opinion.

Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.



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 Posted 07/08/2015  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverStackerKid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am leaning towards PSD.
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 Posted 07/08/2015  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like damage to me.....
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Please note that at the 10-11:00 area of the obverse the hollows that are formed have the denticles RAISED inside those hollows.

How could that possibly occur PSD?
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 Posted 07/08/2015  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good point....not sure....they look thin....like they are the raised incuse spaces between the denticles of the coin that caused the damage?

Where are the remnants of the 2nd and third strikes?

BTW, all conjecture on my end...


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07/08/2015 12:34 pm
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The second photo tries to show it best, as far the denticles being raised inside those two sets of hollows, and they are not the "squeezed in" incuse that would occur if you took one coin and pounded it into another coin.

I know it's darned near impossible to figure this out by just these pictures because it is such a strange occurrence. As I mentioned, I've never seen anything quite like this.

The one thing that bothers me particularly is why the edges with the denticles all show so clearly in the two double impressions - but there is no indication of either of those later strikes leaving anything anywhere else. Other than, if you look closely, there are actually 14 stars with the "odd" star between the 6th and 7th star. That odd star is also not incuse, but raised.

Thanks for your conjecture thus far. I'm hoping someone has actually seen such an odd occurrence, one way or another, and can offer a more definitive reason for the raised denticles and extra star.
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I would say cleaned and retoned but as far as the triple strike...
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I would also say this is cleaned and retoned. As for the triple strike, it looks like it got mashed up pretty good a few times, but this isn't exactly the kind of strike doubling/tripling that folks want to see. It has the eye appeal of a damaged coin, even if it isn't PMD.
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It looks like a mint error to me. How I don't know, hopefully an expert will see it and give you some input. As far as the cleaning, some good close-ups would shed a lot more light on it.
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Vise job?
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Looks to me like just PSD. The raised "denticles" appear to be the spaces between denticles that were pressed in. Especially noticeable through star 7. As for the "raised" star between 6 ad 7, I can't tell form the image if it is really raised and it is faint. This could be cause by the coin being pressed into this coin receiving an image of a star from the subject coin (which would be incuse) and then acting as a die on the next pressing creating a faint raised star.
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I'm leaning towards a vise job. The extra denticles on the top should not be incuse if this was a multiple strike error.
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I could only hope it wasn't PSD, because it is one cool looking coin.
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Spend a few dollars and send to a TPGS. Would be great to see what they say.
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