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How Can One Spot Cleaned Coins?

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 Posted 01/02/2008  10:20 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add fauxtog to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
how can you spot a cleaned coin?
residue? scratches? odd color?
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 Posted 01/03/2008  02:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi fauxtog

Here is a topic I dug out of the archives ,,there are many pictures of cleaned coins to look at ,, most are self explainatory and obviously cleaned .

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...leaned,coins

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 Posted 01/03/2008  03:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The answer to this question is much the same as the answer to the question, "How can one spot fakes and forgeries?".

The answer to both is: experience.

Even a beginner collector can quickly learn to spot a very wretchedly done example. As you gain experience, you'll be able to detect better and better attempts, and become more confident in your judgement. But the jobs done by professionals of the highest calibre can fool even the experts.
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 Posted 01/03/2008  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcook54 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With practice and experience you will be able to tell when something "just isn't right." That's how I generally know to take a closer look and try to figure out what is going one. To be honest, I can only do this with a few types of coins and anything truly valuable I always look and study closely. In fact, typically I bring along another pair of eyes if I am going for a high dollar coin, just to be safe(r).
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 Posted 01/03/2008  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hunter20ga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some of the things an "experienced" eye will see, though not all on any one coin, usually:

1. Fine to deep scratches running parallel to one another across the high points (devices) of the coin and/or larger areas of the flats (fields.) Or, alternately, swirls of scratches, again running parallel to one another, scream that the coin has been cleaned. (The normal scratches, dents and dings on the surface of a circulated coin are random in their arrangement and depth.)

2. Shiny or lighter colored fields than the denticles, stars, dates, mint marks or other devices. Usually you would expect the high points to be shiny/lighter colored, but cleaned coins tend to be just the opposite, depending on how long ago the cleaning took place.

3. Dirt and crud built up around the devices while the fields and other easily cleaned surfaces look, well, clean.

4. On copper...any pinkish tinge or unusual toning, especially of older coins (say from the 1800's or early 1900's) is reason for concern.

5. On silver, if there is no tarnish or toning at all on otherwise obviously circulated coins, the coins have been cleaned. Such coins appear very "flat" to the eye. Even some AU and BU coins have been cleaned, and may, upon casual inspection, seem fine, but you will often see less original mint luster than you would otherwise expect, even if the coin is "shiny." This is, for me, the hardest to spot and takes a truly practiced eye. (It may be useful to visit your local dealer if you have a chance and look at as much of his/her inventory as you can without being a pest, just to get used to studying coins in various states. This is especially useful if you are intending to collect a particular series.)

6. On silver, be sure to look closely at heavily toned coins, because the toning is often created artifically and may well cover evidence of cleaning.

Grab some circulated coins from your pocket change that have no numismatic value. Clean 'em. Use soapy water or Brasso, or whatever, and study the results. Leave them open to the air for days/weeks/months and watch what might happen to the coins as surface oxidation results in toning or at least darkening of the surfaces.

In my opinion, you will have a hard time finding 18th and 19th century US coins that haven't been cleaned at some time in the past. It was common practice and actually "preferred" by a lot of collectors.

Sometimes you can get a very good deal on a cleaned coin that is otherwise nice. Carry it in your pocket for a few days or weeks, and it can begin to get some character back, and the cleaning will be less noticeable.

Finally, remember that even experts will sometimes disagree on the state of a coin...cleaned or not cleaned. It is up to you to decide; don't believe everything you hear, see or read about a particular coin. Study the coin prior to purchase.

Best wishes.
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Metal Man thanks for the link. I did a search before posting but alas I didn't find that.

Hunter great info thanks.
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 Posted 01/03/2008  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fauxtog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So question two
why would yu clean a coin?
toning and age are nice.
I'm not asking about what I would call opps factor like adheisives or paint or some accidental messing of the coin. chocolate comes to mind here. but age removing or standard grime removal, In my opinion this all adds to the beauty of a coin
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 Posted 01/03/2008  1:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
a couple of years ago ,,I purchased two quarter saver books filled with silver quarters ,, the pictures on the auction showed nice natural looking coins ,, when they arrived there was a note inside that read .

I cleaned these all up for you ,,I was embarrassed by how dirty they were ,, with a nice smiley face behind the name .

I would suspect that many of the cleaned coins that are out there are done for just that reason ,, cleaned to clean them up ,,by someone who really does not know any better .

But then there are also many that were cleaned back when cleaning a coin did not carry the stigma that it does now ,, thats right collectors used to clean their coins ,lacquer them, wipe them all sorts of stuff that is now taboo.

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