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1921-P Morgan... Counterfit Or Wear?

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 Posted 07/17/2015  10:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Ok guys, did I find another contemporary counterfit? Or is it just wear from being in a Keychain for however long. When I first found it I didn't take a good look at it but recently did and thought cast counterfit at first but then I ring tested it and it sounds like sweet silver, then I weighed it and I believe it is within tolerance at 26.5g.

My issue with it aside the cast look is the mushyness and the letters and date look larger and when compared to a real 21 (d) and others the letters also look too close to the denticles. Plus the reeding looks like counterfit reeding?

Could being in a Keychain cause what we're seeing here? Or could I have found another contemporary silver composition counterfit? And was it even economical in the 20's to make silver fakes for circulation?...

1921-P-Morgan...-Counterfit-Or-Wear?

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1921-P-Morgan...-Counterfit-Or-Wear?

1921-P-Morgan...-Counterfit-Or-Wear?
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 Posted 07/18/2015  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think what you have is just good old honest wear. I've seen some morgan's like so.
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Interesting. It has the softly-struck look of a cast counterfeit, yet you'd expect anomalous wear from being mounted in a keychain where it spent its' whole life in a pocket being slammed around. I don't see any glaring problems with the details aside the overall look.

Look closer. I believe you'll see a San Francisco mint mark. See the date and upper lettering on the reverse, drawn to the edge? Classic for San Fran 1921's as they pushed their dies to the wear limit.
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 Posted 07/18/2015  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your right SD. There IS an S hidden under there! It sure is scarry (and kinda cool) how an authentic morgan can imitate a cast copy in look & overall feel aside from weight under the right circumstances.
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You certainly have a knack for finding some odd coins Cascade. If it passes the ring test and is the correct weight my guess would be honest wear.
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 Posted 07/18/2015  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not 100% positive it's authentic, but as a keyring I'd expect it to spend more time in contact with human skin and oils than coins normally do. Wouldn't be surprised if the acidity caused this look, over the years. Not to mention keys constantly scraping at it.
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Thanks guys, I guess I'll just keep it in the "oddities" section of my safe for now

And thanks d700, I'm in scatterball mode right now with my education here which is all over the place so I guess my eye is just picking up on unusual coins

SD, what plays out in your mind assuming it is counterfit being the correct weight and passing and the ring test?
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