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1876 CC Quarter: Damaged Or Contemporary Counterfeit?

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I'm waiting on weight info from my dad.

1876-CC-Quarter:-Damaged-Or-Contemporary-Counterfeit?

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Looks like it was treated in lye or something similar, but I don't think it's counterfeit.
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To me, the rim is highly suspect. It looks too crisp. Has it been hammered up at all? I know that people would hammer the rims of coins and then drill out the center to make rings from time to time.
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Good point.
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Those denticles make me sick. They are so square, not round. Fake!
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Hey kid, I just pictured the note you took to school explaining why you missed a day due to a Chinese counterfit coin

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Looks fine to me. It has been harshly cleaned though.

P.S. The added rim is sometimes seen on 19th century silver to maintain full diameter and thickness. I've had dimes that look exactly like that with added rims, it is not unusual.
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Cascade.

BH1964 Look at the denticles.
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I think it's genuine and I can't pinpoint the process that caused this but let's just say, it was bad.
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BH1964 Look at the denticles.


Denticles are fine and look normal for this date/mm.

PS - Here's a PCGS certified F12 for comparison:

1876-CC-Quarter:-Damaged-Or-Contemporary-Counterfeit?
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They look way too square.
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Acid treated real coin, I think.

If real, I suspect it is an ex-jewelry piece, probably in a bezel.
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They look square because they are. As they wore down the dentiles curvature was worn away. I'm not saying with 100% certainty that it's genuine, only that it appears genuine to me.
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I guess I will wait for the other experts.
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It looks like a Dryer Coin. Or possibly spooned, though that wouldn't explain the worn details.

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A dryer or some other tumbling device could upset the edge and abrade the features like this. I would expect that the edge fluting is gone and that it is undersized diameter.

Here's a theory. Given the sharpness of the dentils it looks like it started out as an uncirculated coin. The edge upset formed early, but it tumbled for a considerable time to abrade the features.
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Looks like a real one to me too, the rime was probably rolled (was my first thought) Dryer Coin.
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