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There is one D over D East listed here: http://varietyvista.com/Variety%20M....htm#_1964-DYour close in photo looks blurry, so hard to see for sure. Some of that could be reflection from the holder? I am not sure how to search for the cross references listed there.  to CCF! Edited by Pete2226
07/23/2015 1:23 pm
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definitely not a reflection. I know theyre blurry but there is definitely two Ds. the 2nd D is west of the first.well the under D is west of the top D. thanks for the link
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07/23/2015 1:47 pm
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did some research and took a few more pictures. there is a die crack from eagles left wing through US of pluribus. WRPM-001 shows it through the B as well but is not present here. could this be a earlier die state? also none of the other die markers are present so far.   Edited by kdrcoinzz
07/23/2015 2:22 pm
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Welcome. Looks like a RPM to me. Your first two pictures seem to be the best. I don't see any wear on the coin. I think it should grade higher than you have assigned it.
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I have to disagree. Note the east side of the mint mark and the two leaves above the mint mark. It is machine damage on that area.
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did some more searching and it has Die crack across the contour of the bust, Die crack down the contour of the eagle's right wing curving inward to the Q in QUARTER, and Die crack on the eagle's left side wing from the I in AMERICA running through the BUS of PLURIBUS. that's 3 of the 6 listed for WRPM-001. also to note that it has 100% of the die cracks, the die scratches are the 3 missing and that could be due to lighting,loupe issues. I understand what your saying coop but do the die markers have any indication?
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Coop is right way more often than not, but we are all human. It looks like the one on Wexler's site wrpm-001, the markers you stated match it. Show them to us in more pics,
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A die crack doesn't count unless the variety is there first.  Here is a side by side of the mint marks. |
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again you crush my dreams coop. haha I'm joking thanks for the input, man all the money your saving me from grading I'm going to buy some more coins! thank you sir.
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did some more searching and it has Die crack across the contour of the bust, Die crack down the contour of the eagle's right wing curving inward to the Q in QUARTER, and Die crack on the eagle's left side wing from the I in AMERICA running through the BUS of PLURIBUS. that's 3 of the 6 listed for WRPM-001. also to note that it has 100% of the die cracks, the die scratches are the 3 missing and that could be due to lighting,loupe issues kdrcoinzz, next time don't tell me, I'll want to see the pictures first. Coop, you're the man. |
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Die crack happen all the time on dies. Most of the die a die crack is just a boo boo for the die. It is kept in use untill the die totally fails most of the time. Thus why we find Cuds on coins in circulation. Die chips don't retire coins. But markers that match a die are only legit if they match exactly (dies do continue to get worse with age) if the hub doubling or RPM is not present, a die crack means nothing. Why do die crack in the same places often? The die are put through the same events over and over. Design flaws can show weakness in design, but die clashes affect the dies drastically. Sometimes a clash can retire one die. On cents the planchets absorb a lot of the strike. When a clash happens, the the dies strike steel to steel without a cushion. So unless a variety is present on a die, then it means nothing. If there is a variety, the marker can help ID the die number or die state of the coin. Sometimes the sites don't list any markers. Why? Because there is nothing note worthy. I know, I checked a lot of coins for these markers. Sometimes they help, other times they occur after a coin is struck. Even when the dies are fresh they are some die scratches on them. But not always. They are help full to ID a certain die. (they are like finger prints for that die state or stage as some sites list them. So a die crack only counts if the variety is present. |
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