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To make an incuse design on a coin, the dies devices has to be raised on the die.

So if the doubling is enlarged on the incuse design, it is machine damage during the strike. If that area was reduced, then it would be hub doubling. (I've yet to see it on a quarter yet) but here is what it looks like on a EPU on a shield cent.

I'm still waiting for a ATB Quarter with hub doubling. I wonder if anyone is checking the homestead ones for doubling on the outside devices?

It is raised because of the raised die devices. This is from the die moving during the strike creating what you are seeing. The machine must have been very loose. All this happened during one strike. The die is normal, but the die movement created the enlarged appearance.

Coop, thank you that clarification.

Pete, I agree with what you are saying: The offset issue was a bit hard for me to grasp, despite the great explanation and illustrations. I've been trying to get a better understanding of it this morning and found this earlier post, again from Coop, that's helping me see this more clearly now: https://goccf.com/t/227708

Also found this explanation from article by Mike Diamond: http://www.coinworld.com/insights/v...machin.html#

Great stuff, Coop. Thanks again for the lesson.

One way to tell is a side by side. If the digit is larger on incuse devices then they are machine damaged. (which also includes the 1/2 depth ones. The bounce during after the strike moved the die and devices are enlarged. Here is what a side by side would look like:

If the incuse devices were hub doubled, then the devices would be shorter/narrowed from the normal coin image. How do I know this. Again back to the images above. Note how the devices on the hub doubled EPU are reduced in size:



The raised devices on the same coin are enlarged on the hub doubled examples:


Note the difference between the normal and the hub doubled.

Now what I'm looking for is the devices in the outer ring of the quarter to show reduction in size than a normal sized devices. That is what I need to find. It maybe on the known Homestead quarters and no one knows to look yet. that is what I'm hoping someone will post here.

The image you posted is showing heavy die wear. (that still flows to the rim) Note the flow lines on the devices areas that are in the direction toward the rim. We see these lines on your image. So that die is showing wear on the raised devices on the die, transferred incuse on those devices. But as for a chip. That is a new thought? But I am assuming that it would be the same as a chipped hub that transferred the device to a die. It would be the same affect. But were are familiar with this situation, but may not remember it.
1. Case in point. This happened on the 1956-D dies. It is noticed on the bottom of the 6 in the date.
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=lds
Note on the bottom of the 6 the unformed device.
2. Here is another one. 1983-D with a chipped hub on LIBERTY:

Note the unformed area in the center of the device. The hub had a chipped out area there, transferred it to the die (looked like a chip on the die) then the coins struck with the same missing area of LIBERTY.
3. 1936 also had a broken hub on the "R" in LIBERTY. You can see this on many dies and some are even stronger because the die must have crumbled away making new dies.

Note the missing area on the "R".
Okay, what does this have to do about the price of tea in China?
If the die with the raised devices chipped off, then it would not form that area of the device and would show a raised area on an incuse device. (Another thing I don't have an image of yet)
But I thiank you for that question. It made me think a bit.

Added:
I just remembered I do have images of a chipped incuse device. It is on a quarter:

The chipped die left a raised area on the incuse devices.