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1845/1843 Seated Liberty Half Dime-New Variety?

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I've posted this on another other thread but have not yet received any confirmation that this is a new variety or not.

A URL containing two (2) completed Half Dime variety sets entitled, 'Liberty Seated half dimes With Varieties Set, Business Strikes' appears at:

http://www.seateddimevarieties.com/...ty_index.htm

These fully and partially completed lists appear toward the bottom of the page.

Neither one of the two 100% completed sets contains this 1845/1843 example but I am still unsure if other similarly-focused lists containing this over-date already exist somewhere that I am unaware of etc.

Please opine if this coin should go to CherryPickers or if I am wasting my time.


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a closer shot of the area in question:


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Looks like a 1845 over 1843 on an East/West axis. nlp
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Op can you get a closer pic of the '5' in date?
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Very nice find. I've never seen an overdate like this for this issue, and you've already checked the obvious places.

Certainly might be worth a Cherry Pickers notification.
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It looks like 1845 over 1843 to me. I would think it would be worthy of a variety mention in the CPG.
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Oh my goodness, I left my phone at the house and I can only monitior the CCF from work, I cannot log in BLOCKED.

In the 43 Days of Half Dimes thread, this dime was posted after mine, albeit mine was on the bottom of the page 7 and this one on top of page 8, and yes, they are the same variety 1845 H10C RPD FS-302. I can see where the "5" may appear to have a "3" underneath, but it the underlying "5" was partially polished away and the remaining charactistics of the "5" are present.
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Nice simple explanation! Thanks.
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Thank you for making that plain and simple. I appreciate learning something new today AGAIN!!
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Quote:
...they are the same variety 1845 H10C RPD FS-302.


I would agree that the underlying 5's upper left part is absent for the stated reasons and it's appearance is consistent with NGC and PCGS diagnostic photos:

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oih82w8's coin is a direct match.
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What's bothering me, though, is the assertion that my coin contains all of the same characteristics compared to oih82w8's coin and the TPG's examples.


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....can you get a closer pic of the '5' in date?


Yes:

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Looking at all of these photos side-by-side one can notice that the far right side of my 5 lacks any significant spread toward the east compared to the obvious eastern spread on the other three coins' same area.

The only other space to note on my coin would be its somewhat wider western vertical width spread(compared to the other three coins) located parallel to the inside of the 4 digit.

After studying the multitude of varying copper penny varieties, for example, with subtleties such as these another varietal designation 'might' be warranted.

I'm all ears for any thoughts.

IMO








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If you look at a 3 punch used on Half Dimes you will quickly note the center part of the three doesn't come close to being that far west or left and isn't even close to being in line with the top part of the three which would have to be the case for it to be what you are seeing on this coin. It is a 5/5.

Here is a comparison that actually matters. Note how completely different the shape of the 3 is vs the 5 and how what is underneath the 5 can not possibly be a 3. Both of these coins are from my collection. 1843 Half Dime and 1845 FS-302 Half Dime.

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I concur with others that the OPs coin is FS-302

The strike characteristics and or die state can explain subtle variations in appearance.

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