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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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ebay doesn't do anything because eventually the coin will sell to a legitimate Buyer and they will get the FVF. It just may take a while.
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Pillar of the Community
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 Some legitimate buyer will buy it, even if it takes a while... |
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So what than is the point of ebay having "rules" if they have no intention of enforcing them? They may as well just tell people to shill, sell counterfeits, crack-out coins and hide their defects etc. 1 year ago, ebay rid itself of the ccw, Judith and the abi;ity to report scammers. Sales have not improved and their stock is down. Donahoe was an epic failure and I'm not sure the new CEO Wenig will restore the confidence necessary for ebay to recover. The widdling down of free listing is a step in the right direction, but, ebay must enforce it's own rules to be a safe place to conduct business. JMO |
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Bedrock of the Community
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You can report the item as a forgery or counterfeit easily. I would encourage you to do so. Personally, I'd love it if ebay actually cracked down hard on fakes, but that would require a small army of employees trained in numismatic forgeries to browse listings of often-faked coin types and years, day in and day out, for ever...and when they found one, and banned the seller, the seller would just hack another inactive account or sign up a new account, buy a few penny auctions to get feedback up and list it again. They rely on a combination of outside people (this forum, for instance) to help police the listings. Off topic: The less said about the Donahoe era, the better. JD drove many small sellers away in favor of his "stores full of dropshipped Chinese garbage" approach, turning it from an online flea market / antiques mall into a giant marketplace for fakes and imported junk. There's still diamonds in the rough, but now it takes looking through 10,000 identical BIN store listings to find them instead of 2 or 3 pages of small sellers with real auctions. Meg was all about the money, too, so it's not just one person. The Bay's run since Donahoe took over in the early-mid 2000s is littered with textbook-worthy examples of really, really bad ideas and changes, mostly on the seller side ( ebay has, since that time, always valued buyers much more than sellers - hence the ability for buyers to ruin a seller overnight, but the lack of any ability for sellers to defend themselves against bad buyers and the near-impossibility of getting a bidder banned short of NPB strikes.) Examples: the botched and rushed-out introduction of stores, the removal of negative feedback for bidders, the introduction of DSR's, the VERO mess, constant restructuring of listing and FVF, getting married to PayPal, shift from true auction format to BIN-preferred, "best match" searches and the punishment of sellers for tiny drops in their DSR's by making their listings "disappear", changing the community forums to Lithium forums with the resultant eBay-worshipping strong-arm moderators, abolition of the feedback-dispute process (leaving only an exception for offensive comments), favoring larger sellers in search results, increasing the maximum listing duration past 7 days, the forced refunding of buyers without the seller's agreement (and without requiring the item to be returned!), the imposition of "offer it or lose sales" free shipping requirements (by placing listings without free shipping lower in default searches and allowing bidders to ding a seller's DSR stars for not offering free shipping) and an approach to SNAD and INR claims that finds in favor of the buyer almost every time. I'm sure there are many more I did not mention here. Many of those changes put more money in The Bay's pockets, directly or indirectly, and often substantial sums of money at that. The Bay now tries to do Amazon, but the thing is, Amazon does a much better Amazon than ebay will ever do. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Pillar of the Community
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The coin in this particular listing(s) is not counterfeit. It's in a net graded holder and is accurately described. Reporting it as counterfeit would not do anything. The problem is the Seller is repeatedly shilling the auctions to protect his investment and/or to drive up the price. Shilling, along with malicious bidding and auction interference, are totally against the rules. Sometimes it is enforced, sometimes it isn't. A few years ago I had a blocked bidder circumvent the block and bid under another ID (malicious bidding). Laid all the evidence out for ebay online (and by phone) and the Rep told me since the Buyer was a long time member (as a buyer and seller) that it was out of her hands and it was up to T&S whether they'd do anything about it. As best I could determine nothing was done as both ID's he was using were still being used days and weeks later. ebay practices selective enforcement. They do what is their best interest, not yours. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Good catch, Western.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Pillar of the Community
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WOW, if you guys think this is not a scam seller shill bidding his stuff, than you were born yesterday.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It's an obvious shill; the question is if the item itself is a fake.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Forum Dad
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The problem is proving it. For us it's impossible to prove. For ebay is extremely difficult at best, unless the seller does something really stupid and registers with their real name. If they get a sister half way across the country to do it, good luck proving it. |
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Lol-- Seems the coin is severely corroded in spots as to be missing chunks of lettering on rev and seller may have lost big $$. That's one. Two-- this coin has popped up at least 5 times as a relist even after it has one-. Coin has big issues -seller has issues. Scamm ? errr I'm not sure. I had a chain cent win for way to low on a $770 win bid ---ummm that's Not going to pass. Order was cancelled. O so ebay has regulations that the winner takes all ?-- Ha Not. This was a unusual instance. Hopefully the seller of this coin will find a solution that makes a fair sale |
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Pillar of the Community
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I am not questioning the coins authenticity, in fact, I have no problem with the coin at all. It is the severe and obvious shill bidding that this scam seller is perpetrating that is the issue in this case. Apparently, this seller has been "tipped-off" as to the outting of his shilling as he has just cancelled his shilling bids:
Bid retraction and cancellation history
Bidder Action Date of Bid and Retraction
Member Id: e***e( 3070Feedback score is 1000 to 4,999) Retracted: US $1,007.00
Bid: Aug-14-15 12:18:20 PDT
Retracted: Aug-14-15 13:50:31 PDT
Member Id: s***i( 59Feedback score is 50 to 99) Retracted: US $888.00
Bid: Aug-13-15 11:36:04 PDT
Retracted: Aug-13-15 11:37:18 PDT
Member Id: i***t( 12Feedback score is 10 to 49) Cancelled: US $2,125.00
Bid: Aug-18-15 13:32:25 PDT
Cancelled: Aug-21-15 05:03:44 PDT
Edited by g048406
08/21/2015 12:53 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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hmm arizona, a rare case where a cent is a shilling?
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Posted 08/20/2015 9:22 pm
