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I ordered a pair of Kansas sales tax tokens from an American eBayer. They came, packaged in this thing:  Now, to you Americans, this might be perfectly normal. But I've never seen one of these two-coins-in-one-2x2 things before. It looks too well-made to be a DIY job. Are they commonly available over there? What are they normally used for - housing mintmark-pairs of cents and dimes? Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Sap, you can get 3 hole as well. Steve  |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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G'day, I've also seen them with three voids, for holding cents.
I suspect that they appeal to our Seppo friends, not for "pairs" of coins, but just for the economy of storage.
Stranger still, in my humble opinion, are the 2x2s with an oval void, for storing mutilated coins - y'know "put one-cent in the slot, turn the handle, and your cent comes back, longer, but no wider, as a souvenir of Las Vegas". Why bother doing it, and bother keeping it ?
On a more useful note, Coles now stock a self-heating cup of coffee, at $5.50 each. I'd put that up there with:
the self-chilling beer can;
the self-inflating lilo; and
the self-erecting tent.
THat's what I call "progress"
Peter in Darwin
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Stranger still, in my humble opinion, are the 2x2s with an oval void, for storing mutilated coins - y'know "put one-cent in the slot, turn the handle, and your cent comes back, longer, but no wider, as a souvenir of Las Vegas". Why bother doing it, and bother keeping it ?
Aww now, be nice to my elongated cents(and nickels, dimes, and quarters)  How else can you get a nice numismatic souvenir of your vacation for 51 cents  http://www.pennycollector.com/Anyway, I have seen three holers for P,D,S sets but never seen a two hole 2x2, that is kinda nifty I guess for a two coin set. |
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United States
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I've never seen a two holed one, but I have seen a three holed one. Has anyone seen those small 2x2 (1x1's maybe?). They look like they could fit inside of coin envelopes. If anyone knows where I could buy some, that would be an additional plus.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Not that I'm advocating you shop here, but Brent Kreuger has the multi-hole 2x2s (both 2 and 3 holes) and the 1.5x1.5's (I guess that's what they're called?) They are all listed on this page for your convenience. (They also have the larger 2.5x2.5 for those large world coins you may have floating around.) http://www.brent-krueger.com/cbholder.htmlI've seen both at other places like KC Coins, Joel's Coins etc. Just google "multi-coin 2x2" or "1.5x1.5 cardboard holder" and you'll see several links. Just choose the one you are most comfortable with. Edited by Topher
01/11/2008 10:38 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks topher, the 1.5x1.5 were the ones I was looking for.
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Australia
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Now, some may say I'm being a stickler for rules or something, BUT in Australia I beleiver there are laws against intentionally defacing and mutilating currency. Doing the old 'coin on the railway' trick (or the Las Vegas version of the trick) is probably illegal. As for the US, I am pretty sure they have laws against mutilating/melting down coinage as well...
So, for a company to be selling products (and for Las Vegas to be actively aiding this) that encourage what maybe technically illegal behaviour is a bit 'dodgy'...
But on that subject, does anyone actually know more about mutilation and defacement laws? I'm curious now!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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In the US, alteration/mutilation is only illegal if done for fraudulent purposes- i.e. adding a mint mark to a key date, changing a denomination, etc. Melting is legal for all US coins except currently circulating pre-1982 copper cents and 1938-present Jefferson nickels(not including 1942-45 silver issues). |
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[sigh] Since this thread's been hijacked... The laws in Australia are a bit stricter than in the US. Section 16 of the Crimes (Currency) Act 1981, states: quote:
A person shall not, without the consent, in writing, of an authorized person, intentionally deface, disfigure, mutilate or destroy any coin or paper money that is lawfully current in Australia.
Penalty:
(a) in the case of a person, not being a body corporate—$5,000 or imprisonment for 2 years, or both; or
(b) in the case of a person, being a body corporate—$10,000.
And, as a rule, such permission is not given; defacing Her Majesty's Coin of the Realm is not something the Government normally wants to encourage. I believe that predecimal coins and foreign coins aren't considered "lawfully current in Australia", so it's OK to mutilate those. But I could be wrong - I'm no lawyer. Section 17 declares illegal the selling of coins that have been defaced. The same penalty as for actually defacing a coin applies. If this law were strictly enforced, many of the so-called "mint errors" on ebay would be illegal. Section 3 Part 4 adds that such "defacement" is to include covering part or all of a coin's surface being "coated with any material". This criminalizes placing advertising stickers on coins, as well as privately painted, plated, enamelled and lacquered coins. Part 5 explicitly exempts the Government from these laws, allowing it to deface, counterstamp, mutilate or destroy it's own money. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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02/11/2008 10:09 am
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Formerly nancyc
Australia
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Still a bit off topic.....There was somone selling Aussie "elongated' ha'pennies at Expo. Can't remember who it was, or how much they were, but they were on sale. Someone gave me one, 1960, the reverse is just readable, the obverse is completely obliterated by an "Aussie Expo" motif that covers the whole area. Also on sale were pairs of one & Two Cent Pieces embedded in some plastic or suchlike compound. life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Canadian "defacing" laws are similar to Australia's, so all those elongated penny machines usually come preloaded with US coins, or blanks. Unfortunately, there aren't that many of them to be found up here. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Does anyone know who sells these two and three hole 2x2', I should get some as I have plenty of foreign coins that don't have a home and there is too many to put in normal 2x2's
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I have never seen these before.
What date was the aluminum one made, please ?
What was their purpose ?
How much are they worth ?
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Australia
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Been trawling through some of the really old threads, Pertinax? They are "sales tax tokens". They are denominated in fractions of cents (or mils, tenths of a cent) and were used to "give correct change" for state sales tax on items worth less than 10 cents. They were in effect separate state-based coinages; most states ceased using them in practice during WWII. For more information on which states issued them, how long they were used for, a catalogue of types and other info, check out the American Tax Token Society website. Of the 12 token-issuing states, Kansas was the one that used them for the briefest period (1937-1939). Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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