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What caught your eye? I've been on ebay lately and don't want to get scammed out of hundreds of dollars...especially by buying one that's been graded! |
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I checked PCGS verify and the label and coin match up. They didn't provide a picture though. I have seen fake PCGS slabs that have that bad quality plastic slab look and the faded label before. This one has the correct labeling,but cannot confirm 100% authenticity.
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Well, this coin was in the commonly faked pre-faded label, and considering how low the seller was asking for it, I suspected the coin might be a fake. Why else would a seller be listing a coin valued at $11,500 on the PCGS guide book for 99 cents? Compare this coin to the description of the coin that sold in an internet auction in 2010, which has the same PCGS number as the coin on ebay.  The coin that sold in a Heritage Internet auction in September 2010  The coin being offered on ebayEdited by CalzoneManiac
08/30/2015 07:23 am
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It's these counterfeits that everyone should be afraid of. Those are definitely two different coins, but the only way to tell is by the contact marks on each coin. I don't know enough about key-date Morgans to know what looks wrong other than the rim looking wierd and the date looking fatter than normal.
These are the super counterfeits I'm afraid of.
And then SsuperDdave will chime in and make a mockery of me by exposing all of the blatantly obvious things wrong with this coin that don't match up to genuine 1879 CC's.
Edited by TypeCoin971793
08/30/2015 08:05 am
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Well, something's goofy here. The seller has zero feedback as such, all have been as a buyer which suggests a hijacked account.
On the other hand, if this is a fake, it's an extraordinarily deceptive one. The differences in the photography make a definitive comparison difficult, but I do see some corresponding marks on the two - the small "/" mark next to the "E" for instance.
Colligo ergo sum
Edited by Lucky Cuss
08/30/2015 12:55 pm
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They look like the same coin... look at the scratch on the nose and the one on the field between her eye and E. Luster breaks can fool a camera but scratches are forever. That said, look at the bottom right of the slab where it says PCGS. See how the sonic seal "dot" is different in size in relation to the "S" on each  |
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Okay. I see the scratch on both coins, so they are the same coin. Looks like I don't have to worry as much anymore.  |
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That seal mark at the S bothers me. It's an anomaly that can't be overlooked. This is gonna be fun when SD, conder and other experts chime in Or I'm just seeing things because the coffee hasn't kicked in yet |
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The photos are thaken at different angles. Since the sonic seal dot is deeper in the plastic than the S, the apparent spatial relation will change has the angle changes. I guess this produced the illusion that the dot was of a different size.
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It could be the difference of two different lighting angles. That hit on the nostril looks the same in both images. edit to add - The circle seen under the PCGS logo is actually an ejector pin location and will appear to move when the angle changes, especially if it's on the rear case half. (I'm not sure which without looking at one in hand) Good eye Cascade, I noticed this as well and went to ebay looking at listings. Edited by dave700x
08/30/2015 09:20 am
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I wrote a long post about how they ARE the same coin and that I'd eat my hat if they weren't. Then I took a final look at them before posting it and noticed the dot in relation to the S and had to delete the whole post and question the slab therefore questioning the coin because a fake slab for a key CC means fake coin. I still think the relation and size of the dot is too much to be reconsiled by the angle. But I can understand what your saying about it being on the back side of the slab. It could be a refraction event kinda like spearfishing in shallow water, how you have to throw the spear a few inches above the fish because the light refraction is giving off a false location? This is some good stuff discussion wise! Ok back to coffee now |
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Rest in Peace
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Yeah, I was ready to post that it's a different slab until I looked at others and then thought about it more. Yep, second cup of coffee next up. |
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Just found this thread, but I'm in the same coin/same slab camp.
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It's the same coin in both. Stolen images. The auction is already gone.
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Stolen images. I had been considering that possibility, also, but you beat me to posting it. It's too bad that we weren't seeing the actual item being hawked, that'd have been far more instructive. Colligo ergo sum
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