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Pretty Bad Counterfeit Trade Dollars...

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1875-Us-Tra...em25acc84f35

Face is wrong, color & relief look like every fake Trade dollar from china.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1873-S-U-S-...em3d0237a65f

Seller completely failed and should know better. Weighs 23 grams, which is certainly not 420 grains. I smell BS because the guy is certainly a seller of coins, and should know better as I mentioned.

Also get a pretty bad impression on this 1796 "draped bust" dollar.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1796-Silver...em419be6953b

The reverse just doesn't look correct.

All reported. :/
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I can't say I'm all that convinced of the 1875. You know about the different Trade dollar obverses and reverses, right?

The 1873-S and Early Dollar are obvious on their faces, though.
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Thanks for your diligence here.

I have never understood why anyone would buy ANYTHING on E-bay without full return privileges.

It's time for a reference book on Chinese counterfeits.
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Agreed. Speaking just for myself, I believe I do understand the differences. I was just speaking in general terms about returns and the ever-growing need for education in the field of Chinese counterfeits.

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Just like the 1921-only reverse found on earlier-dated Morgans, the wrong obverse/reverse for the year on a Trade dollar is a smoking-gun determiner of a counterfeit, although it doesn't work the other way of course. The 1875 is a Type 1 obverse and Type 2 reverse, appropriate for the date, and doesn't really factor into my thinking as a result. I'm not saying the 1875 isn't fake, just that I don't see enough evidence to be sure.
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Well-summarized as always, thanks.
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SsDd, it has that look in the fields. Just literally no scratches or anything at all, but the coin is clearly worn.

I'll PM the seller and have it weighed.
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I'm almost 100% sure it's a counterfeit, and it's rare for me to be that confident when someone strongly disagrees.
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I'm not continuing to post to be argumentative, just in the interest of presenting a discussion. It's my position that the images do not contain enough photographic detail to allow you to be that sure of the fields or devices. I agree there's a lot that looks fake here, but experience tells me not to trust the detail I see in images like this.

Your dedication is a service to the Forum, Drew, but we need to expand your horizons.
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The only time I have bought a coin with no return is a roll of silver eagles from one of those silver sellers on ebay.
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I'm not continuing to post to be argumentative, just in the interest of presenting a discussion.



I know, I know, sorry if I came off that way haha.


I'm just almost certain it's a counterfeit, but I can't guarantee that 100% due to bad pictures.
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I have never understood why anyone would buy ANYTHING on E-bay without full return privileges.

Well considering there is no such thing as no returns on ebay why not. You can always make a return, at worst you just file it a SNAD and you get back the whole amount.
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I know, I know, sorry if I came off that way haha.


No, not at all; I was more worried that you'd feel I was attacking you when nothing could be further from the truth.
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