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Hello everyone

This is my first post here and I'm really not sure if I'm going about this the correct way ..
My reason for posting is I'm a bit concerned about this 1903o Barber dime I received this morning. I purchased this coin from ebay , in the listing photos the coin didn't appear to be toned so dark. When I received it this morning I didn't know what to make of it as it's graded by anacs yet has a very dark purplish patina .. My concern is how dark this patina / tone is , I have many toned coins graded by the top company's and I consider anacs to be one of those but I've never seen another slabbed coin with this dark of a patina .. I've always thought that coins with really dark patina would not be gradeable , so I'm wondering what is everyone's thoughts on this ?
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You did fine with your first post.

It's an individual thing. Imo you described a perfectly acceptable coin, and the coin in your photos looks ok to me, but that's me. Doesn't look too dark or purple in your photos, but it could be the lighting. If you don't like it, I'm pretty sure the seller would accept a return.
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As Ed said, it is personal choice. I actually prefer toning like this. Other than Morgan dollars, I generally don't buy white silver. I don't know what the assigned grade is but the coins originality looks good to me. What was the assigned grade?
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I think it looks okay. Toning does not affect grade and I think dark purple is nice.
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From your photo, I see an original coin with some toning that does not appear to be too dark. I see nothing in your coin photo that would cause the coin to get a detail grade from toning. When coins get the black toning, they can receive a details grade environmental damage.
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Toning does not affect the technical grade, although particularly attractive toning may cause some grading companies to added a * or something to the grade to indicate that it has something special.

I can understand your confusion, though! When I first started collecting proof coins, I thought they all had to have a mirror finish or else be impaired in some way (and therefore not gradable). And then I purchased this one:

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The coin is AU50 , not a really high grade but considering it's a better date Barber dime ..
As many of you mentioned , I also like toned coins and most of what I own has a bit of color ..
I guess what got me was I wasn't expecting it to be so dark , it is a little darker than it appears in the photos .. I guess I was more or less conserned that it possibly got by on anacs as coins do from time to time with all grading company's.
I'd say you guys are right ! It's probley with in anacs standard and I believe them to be a top company as most coins I've purchased in their slabs in my opinion are about right , just never seeing one this dark in hand made me question it ..
I really do appreciate everyone's quick response and for the reassurance !!
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From a photographic standpoint, it's pretty easy to wash out dark toning. As a result, I couldn't necessarily hold it against the seller. Either way, when one contemplates the coal-burning world into which this coin was born, such color is not necessarily of concern to surface originality and is indeed an optimistic sign.
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I just tried to search this coin on anacs website but nothing came back , I though that was pretty weird.
I have several anacs coins and this slab look the same as the rest so I'm not sure what going on .. I've got a little better photo of the coin along with the listing photo but I can't figure out how to post photos along with a reply.
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I think pretty toning beats "original" color every time, but on copper, it's usually a negative from a price standpoint.
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dark and crusty is what I say
i only like blast white on merc dimes and Washington quarters
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Do you REALLY think they're original in blast white?
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Some blast white coins are original - look at all (most) of the GSA slabbed Morgan dollars that were pulled right out of bags
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I collect both toners and un-toned coins. No need to limit yourself to one or the other.

These two 1948 Roosevelt dimes are both graded MS67FT by PCGS:

(Toned)

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(White)

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Some people would prefer one surface over the other, but I settled for buying both

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If given the option on silver coins I will get the BU type without a tone. If toning does not affect price or grade then it is just personal preference.
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dark and crusty is what I say
Says the one with the appropriate avatar!
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