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DDO? 1972 LMC

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 Posted 09/15/2015  11:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Rackster to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I spent some time trying to decide what I'm looking at. The wash on this die has my eyes dancing and it's late. But I see some thickness and a split at the end of the loop on the 2. I'll need to take more pictures tomorrow but here is the date:

DDO?-1972-LMC

Thanks for looking!
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 Posted 09/16/2015  01:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are some larger close up photos of doubled dies 005 & 006 here: http://www.lincolncentsonline.com/1...0Photos.html
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http://www.lincolncentsonline.com/1...0Photos.html
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I have a couple that look like that. You will want to check out the "In God We Trust" I know you can see some doubling on the E and Ts
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Hi folks - thanks for having a look. I was getting a little bleary eyed last night but will have a closer look tonight and expand the picture portfolio. I was trying to assess which DDO it might be at Wexler's site in order to take more directed shots of key areas where markers/features are most prominent. I looked at IGWT quite a bit, but the die wash there is making identification difficult. Oddly, however, the fields in the coin are smooth and die scratches (in key areas)aren't available (at least at quick glance). Soooo....

With that said, I'm hopeful that the members here can, based on what they see, direct me to key areas that they might need to see to attribute this coin (assuming it is DDO). My feeling is that I have a late stage (perhaps D) DDO. Seems that I've been finding these lately for some reason. Finding earlier die state specimens sure would make identification easier. But where's the fun in that I suppose. Thanks again folks!
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OK, some additional pictures. The die wash is making picture taking a more significant challenge. Anyway, I just don't know.



DDO?-1972-LMC

DDO?-1972-LMC

DDO?-1972-LMC

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I don't know much about these 1972 pennies Rackster. I'd like to help. If you need more than Cwb's link for the 005 and 006, I have some pics for the 002, 003, and 008. I will post them if you can use them, just let me know.
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Thanks CM - I appreciate the offer. I took a look last night at Wexler's site as he has a comprehensive overview for a number of the DDOs. I see things that look like it...but maybe not perfectly. And the deterioration is making me toggle on if it is...or isn't a DDO (vs. deterioration). I just can't toss it back to the wild just yet. I'll look there again tomorrow...there's always tomorrow.
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 Posted 09/16/2015  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope it works out Rackster, hopefully Coop will weigh in.
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Yeah its minor so count me out of being able to help. I can see what your talking about on the 2 clear as day but I keep playing a game I always play myself and I need more proof . I hope coop comes in to help you also . I'm mainly posting to keep you up top so he will hopefully see it ;)
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There are more photos of different 1972 DDs on this page: http://www.lincolncentsonline.com/dd51.html
If you click on an image, it will show more images.
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CM/tweak - thanks for the bump! Yes, I am hoping one of our members who collect 1972s might have some insight to share.

Claude - thank you for the link. I was looking at -010 (I think) but I'm still guessing.
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Your first large photo of the date seems to show similarity to the DDO on the inside of the upper loop of the 2. It also looks like a very minor split on the outside of the right side of the 9 from top to bottom. 2nd large photo of the date seems to lose that detail. Only what a novice sees though.
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I'm not seeing any hub doubling in these images. The marks on the 9 & 2 looks like contact marks. Machine damage on the right side of the 1.
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Looking at the shape of the date devices, it kind of looks like Coppercoins 1DO-005 but also a bit like Wexlers -010. However, I can't find any of the markers on my coin.

About 9 o'clock on the loop of the 9 is a raised area. the 10 to 1 o'clock area on the loop looks a bit flattened in hand. And I don't see burnished material.

There is a contact mark at the top of the 2 near where the split in the device is. But it does not affect where the device meets the coin field.

IG of IGWT is thicker in the same spots as the -005, but the wash there is so grainy that it obliterates being able to see any faint knit lines on the devices like you see at Coppercoins. Is it thick from doubling...or deterioration.

Maybe there's a clue in the L and the E in LIBERTY. But the wash on the device may be obliterating the doubling there.




Thanks for the input folks.



DDO?-1972-LMC
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