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Harris Folder For Eisenhowers Missing Slots For 1973 P&d

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Working on putting my Ikes (these aren't MS-65 beauties) into a Harris folder. Lo and behold they skip 1973 P&D. They jump straight from 1972-S to 1973-S to 1974-P.

Anyone have any idea why, or is it just a mistake? I wonder if the Whitman version has the same mistake? (Both brands under the same ownership.)
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I am guessing this is HRS2699 Eisenhower & Anthony Dollars?

One of the key differences in Harris vs Whitman design is the Harris has a reverse slot. If they left out the regular and bicentennial reverse slots there would be room for the 1973 P&D. They probably just figured everyone would always leave the 1973 in the Mint set packaging and never take them out to put into a folder.

If you look at Whitman 9699 Kennedy halves folder you will notice the 1970D has no real hole but the board still present labeled "Issued Only In Mint Sets".

Harris 2672 Cents has only a hole for 1922-D no hole for 1922 (plain).

Folders are made mostly for people who would be finding coins from their pocket change. Including the S for Ikes must mean at the time of initial design the S Ikes were circulating while the 1973 were not. Must be before they even knew SBA was going to happen, and those "pages" of the folder just remain unchanged from the original design. Or When SBA did come about they just chose to remove them to make room for the 12 SBA to all fit on one page.

Remember one company bought the other and kept both line of products. I cant recall if Harris bought Whitman and just kept the more popular Whitman name or the other way around. But Harris folders ALWAYS offer a reverse view of the coin, while IF any Whitman folders offer a reverse view it is extremely rare. Harris is more like a coin board you can fold up and later open to display, while Whitman is just about getting one of each and storing them away.

Now most people don't even like folder, they are the red-headed stepchild of the coin collecting organizing tools. People would prefer flips, but still some of us holdovers exist that like to have 1 place you can find holes to fill, find the mintage, and store them without having to keep a separate list of what is missing in a box of flips or slabs or air-tites or what have you.

Whitman version offers actually LESS than Harris, because it have 6 unmarked holes. both reverse are removed as well as the S coins, jumping straight from 1972-D to 1974

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But in those 6 empty holes you can buy their "decals" to label the unmarked slots and have your 1973s out of order and a couple holes never to fill to leave the folder structurally unsound

I would also wager that looking at the Ike, the Anthony side is missing 1981 and has 3 unmarked holes as well.
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The 1973 P&D are NIFC, only issued in mint sets. I understand why they are not on the Whitman folder, which omits all NIFC coins.

However, all S-mint Eisenhower dollars are NIFC, so having those in the Harris while excluding the 1973 P&D is odd.
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not really. Look at the image to see the exact same holes in the Harris album (Whitman has no pictures showing an open Harris album).

count the 6 holes that are empty there and add the missing contents from the Harris album:
1. Eisenhower Reverse
2. 1971 S
3. 1972 S
4. 1973 S
5. 1974 S
6. 1776-1976 Reverse

Where is there more room for the 1973? The Anthony "page" only has room for 12 coins

1. Anthony Reverse
2. 1979 P
3. 1979 D
4. 1979 S
5. 1980 P
6. 1980 D
7. 1980 S
8. 1981 P
9. 1981 D
10. 1981 S
11. 1999 P
12. 1999 D

There is no room at all for things like 1973 Ike or 1979 wide rim, etc. Again one of the key features of a Harris album is it ALWAYS has a place for the reverse of coins so you can get the "feel" of those more expensive albums that lets you see both sides, but taking less space to show both sides of ALL coins. People that Like Harris choose them (if you have a choice to find them locally) because it gives a hole that is VERY easy to see and display a full coin.

The only Harris I know of that doesn't have a hole for REVERSE is the 20th Century Type folder, so I chose the Whitman simply for the blue background and just face things like the Buffalo to the reverse showing as it matches the words: Liberty Head, Buffalo, etc. The only Whitman I have that has a hole for a reverse is silver Roosevelts, and it also has a hole for Obverse as well so the line spacing isn't totally off and it looks sort of symmetrical.

If we really want custom folders, I think the place to look and person to ask would be Mally. But can he do folders like Whitman, or would it be just easier to get plain Whitman/Harris folders and fill the holes with what you decide to fill them with? Sadly the ONLY plain folder Whitman/Harris don't off is dollars except for Morgan plain and those are Harris only, Whitman doesn't offer any plain folder other than cents/nickels/dimes/quarters/halves. Neither offer plain small dollars SBA/SAC/NA/Pre$ they are all dated. Only Littleton offers blank small dollars that I can see, but people say not to use those, though that is what I had to use for 2 folders. so nobody offers plain/blank large dollars. Looks like a job for a coin board.
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Thanks for the help everyone. Some of my collections are from circulation or otherwise low-grade coins, and I like folders for these, as opposed to albums. As has been mentioned, the Harris albums are nice for having a slot for the reverse.

"Only Littleton offers blank small dollars that I can see, but people say not to use those." I hadn't heard this. Littleton is the one that makes the most claims to being archival (well, them and the Intercept album folks). What is the reason for some people steering clear of the Littletons?
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Oh, answering my own question about Littleton---that they sell coins expensively, claim to offer free gifts, is that what was referred to? I did buy a Littleton album for Walking Liberty halves, on Amazon, so that way Littleton didn't get my name & address. Seems like a nice album, green leatherette.
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I got a free Littleton album for Sacs and have been putting the ones I find in there, and bought one for part 2 of Kennedy halves. 1986~ or something like that. I haven't seen anything happen yet with the album, but some are saying there is something in that green they use or the glue that will turn coins and discolor them quicker or more than Whitman albums.

I didn't fall prey to Littleton's advances on trying to get me to buy overpriced damaged coins they sent and only got the 2009~2012 P&D NA set cause it came with the SAC album and a free 4-piece set of 2009 cents which I was having a hard time finding.

$10 for $8.04 and a $4 album for only $1.96 was well worth it to me to get the NIFC NA I really wanted.
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There are only 14 business strike Eisenhower dollars issued for circulation:

1971, 1971-D, 1972, 1972-D, 1974, 1974-D, 1976 Variety 1, 1976-D Variety 1, 1976 Variety 2, 1976-D Variety 2, 1977, 1977-D, 1978, 1978-D.

The Whitman folder has twelve holes because it does not differentiate the 1976 varieties. This is fine. By why does Harris include some NIFC coins and not others? This is what I feel is an error.

It would help if I knew exactly how many labeled holes the Harris folder has, then maybe we can try to discover their logic.

For what it is worth, the full set of Eisenhower dollars is 32 coins, 34 if you differential the 1972 (Philadelphia) varieties.
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jbuck, the Harris Ike folder has 18 slots for Eisenhowers.

The folder also has 11 date/mintmark slots for SBA, and one SBA slot for "reverse."

Here are the Ike slots: reverse, 1971, 1971-D, 1971-S, 1972, 1972-D, 1972-S, 1973-S, 1974, 1974-D, 1974-S, 1776-1976, 1776-1976 reverse, 1776-1976-D, 1977, 1977-D, 1978, and 1978-D.
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Interesting. It does not make sense at all to have three NIFC 40% silver clad coins, yet omit the two NIFC CuNi clad coins. How bizarre!

Google confirms it though. I found new ones for sale online with photos! Wow.

I think they just wanted the even 18 coins. I came up with a few alternative layouts, but always an extra hole or three.
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Yeah if you have a standard design for a coin why have anything else made when you can buy that in bulk? Peace, Morgan, Ike just make the "pages" all the same and you need only 1 die for it. It was explained several times what the Harris folder had holes for

But again folder are favored by MANY because of the less holes and less silly stuff to put in them. They aren't perfect collections of information on every coin, just a list of some things you might want and an easy way to keep up with what is left that you need from the series. Compare to album that has all the varieties like you say in it and...well not everyone is interested in that because they won't be able to find them in pocket change.

This brings us back to the 1973 missing in both folders. They didn't expect people to find them in pocket change, and Whitman version didn't expect people to find silvers in pocket change. Also on the albums, not everyone wants to search for all those varieties. Peg legs? Who knows if I have any, and who cares. I sure don't. Its an Ike, that's good enough for me.

jbuck expand your design to include 3 "pages" of large dollars since you can do that with the Peace or Morgan book and put Ikes in the 27 holes without the SBA "page". People mix and match folders contents often, that is why the "blank" or "plain" folders came out years later for those that liked folders but didn't want to be dictated what to put in the holes, and then Whitman made labels for those to put dates and MM on the unprinted holes.

There is just a world of difference between coin board, folder, album and other collectors, expectedly since everyone collectors different things for different reasons.

The person that can come up with a "print on demand" model for coins boards/albums/folders will take a chunk out of all existing companies customer base just like it has for the book trade.

So not a mistake, nor bizarre, just what they thought people would be able to get easily and have a REASON to have empty holes. Again see the Whitman 1964-1985 Kennedy halves folder and note the plug in place of the 1970-D. It how they chose to design and sell it, nothing more, nothing less. Just don't put reverse into the Harris folder and put 1973 in those holes a little out of place so they are all there and all the hole are filled if you can fill them all.
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One more thought on the Ike folders: it is extraordinarily hard to get the coin into the slot. And because the coin is as thick as the folder, the coins never seat completely, flush with the page. They stick up a little bit. Ah well I guess you just roll with the punches.
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You can always upgrade to an album.

The Eisenhower dollar Dansco (8176) was one of the first two albums I got (along with Kennedy half dollars). I came from folders as well and I did not upgrade them all at one time. It took a while.

For what it is worth, most of my business strike dollars are not MS-65 beauties either.
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Hey jbuck, are you absolutely sure about the 1973 Ike? I have an old Red Book and under the mintage number for both 1973 and 1973-D it has an asterisk and the note says *1,769,258 of each sold only in sets and not released for circulation. Unissued coins destroyed at mint.

Almost sounds like a few did get released. Or if you're right, some folks broke open their mint sets, because I found and bought a 1973 ( no mint mark) at a coin show today.
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I'm not sure if I missed something, but MY Harris #2699 folder DOES HAVE the holes for the 1973 and 1973-D Ike's labeled, right between the holes for the 72's and 74's. Is it possible that the folder was upgraded at some point (not sure if the ones I have are original products or revised ones).

I have two Harris folders; one I use for the listed coins and I re-labeled the second one for the 18 extra proofs and silver types. This gives me 36 holes total for all 34 types and two 'reverse' spots for 1971 and 1976. (I have two holes saved for the 1972 High Relief and Modified High Relief Ike's, but I'm not sure if they are worth filling). The two folders also have enough room for the 19 SBA types. All holes for both are filled except for the pre-mentioned Relief Ike's and the ones I have in slabs.
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