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Napoleon III 10 Centime Coins--Why So Common?

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I got my first one of these as a kid from a dealer's junk bin for 25 cents. When my grandfather gave me his collection, I acquired two more.

Ever since I started buying world coins from ebay, it seems like I get one about once every 3 lots, usually in AG condition or worse. Browse a few pages of ebay > coins > world > collections/lots and you will see exactly what I mean.

I know that these are the epitome of junk 19th century coins, but why are they *SO* common? Mintages seem to be below 15M for all issues--typically "common as dirt" coins had mintages in the 50M+ range.

They were clearly popular and heavily used coins for many decades, based on the average level of wear. Were they simply never pulled to be melted? Did people love Napoleon III so much that they kept these coins as souvenirs?
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I posed a similar question to an old time dealer whose knowledge of European history was unbelievable, he had a theory that these were so available because of how despised Napoleon III was by the French people, that there is still such little interest from the French people in collecting anything with his effigy...
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Some of the gold coins from Napolean III are also extremely common (maybe not in junk bins, though).
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People didn't love Napoleon III much but they were OK with having him around. Until Sedan. A lot of French coin collections probably hit the junk pile after that.

These coins are the most common of the 10 centime issues, and continued in circulation until 1935. Since they were cheap, people in the 1920's and 1930's probably tried to form sets of what they could find in circulation, like Americans collect Lincoln cents and Jefferson nickels. They're hefty and substantial compared to the little nickel Lindauer 10 C's that replaced them, so more desirable. It would be like large cents circulating side-by-side with small cents. Worn out large cents...high grade Napoleon III's are pretty scarce and get premium prices.

I hunt for the comparative rarities in this series. In the US no one seems to know or care that several of the 1857's are relatively more valuable than the others. But these coins were not scarce - mintages are all over a million. I suspect they are like lower mintage Lincolns and Indian Heads: the hardest holes to fill to complete the series.

I used to pick the French books of a dealer who had close to a full set. I bought everything that was VF or higher, as well as the 1857's. I made several buying trips over 3-4 years and it never looked like anything had been purchased between trips. Compared to French catalog prices the coins were ridiculously cheap. But considering that there were no other buyers it's not surprising.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Here's the best one I got, an XF 1857W, currently catalogued at about 200 euros:
Napoleon-III-10-Centime-Coins--Why-So-Common?
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"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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