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Montana Quarter - (Almost) No Mint Mark

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 Posted 01/16/2008  07:13 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add magusxxx to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This jumped out like a sore thumb when I got it in change today.

Montana-Quarter---Almost-No-Mint-Mark

Montana-Quarter---Almost-No-Mint-Mark

Montana-Quarter---Almost-No-Mint-Mark

Only when I turn it slightly sideways, and the light hits it just right do you see a faint mint mark. (I rotated these last images before posting.)

Montana-Quarter---Almost-No-Mint-Mark

Montana-Quarter---Almost-No-Mint-Mark
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Some might reply that this mintmark had some help disappearing, but I would disagree with that. The darker area in the image is probably the boundary of where the grease or other obstruction was that caused the mintmark not to fill in properly.

Safe to say that the mintmark was there, it was just obstructed. Since mintmarks are no longer punched into the dies by hand, they are the same depth and in the same position from die to die these days, which would include the entire Statehood Quarter series.

Even though this is the same basic thing that caused most of the 1922 'no-D' cents and 1982 no mintmark quarters, I would doubt there will end up being much following for this particular anomaly. Might want to hold onto it for a while in case I'm not accurate with this assessment, but I could tell you that premium value at this point would be minimal if existant at all.
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 Posted 01/16/2008  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice fined!
that my a $100.00 quarter send it off to Anacs and see what they say. it would be $20-30.00 dollar's but it maybe worth a lot more graded!
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who in their right mind would pay that amount of money for a Grease Filled Die?
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I respectfully disagree with CC and that doesn't happen too often:-)

While what he says is a possibility, I see in the third picture from the top and in the last picture, evenly spaced parallel lines that indicate that a tool might have been used to fudge up the Mintmark.

Thanks,
Bill
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Foundin said, "...that indicate that a tool might have been used to fudge up the Mintmark."

I'm inclined to agree...it looks damaged or tampered with.

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if the mint mark was removed wouldn't the copper show through?how thick is the clad layer anyway?
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No, the copper core would not show if the mintmark were removed. The copper is within the clad layer and the mintmark is composed completely of the nickel portion when the coin is struck. The nickel portion of the coin fills the recesses of the die. If the mintmark is shaved off, you don't get any deeper than the nickel layer on the coin so the copper wouldn't show.
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01/18/2008 11:43 pm
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The best argument for tooling from my perspective is the fourth picture from the top, in which you can make out a 'star' pattern of the possible tooling marks. At first, I thought grease-filled also, but now I'm torn.
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And these are the best pictures I've been able to take of it. I've tried 20+ times and all of the other ones won't even show a hint of the mint mark. I have to wait until the end of the month before my local coin dealer is back from Florida to see what he says.
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Not to cast aspersions but the dealer you go to has to be an expert on errors or you will only get some guess work.

If they are not familiar with all the aspects of the minting process, they can give a shaky diagnosis.

Again, this is not to say anything bad. I know that I have personally brought coins around at coin shows where I knew exactly what I had and in many cases, I was given completely , off the wall explanations of what they were by many dealers.
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