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Official Or Unofficial 1969-S DDO? Have 1 Proof & 1 Circ. MS

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Any opinions on whether this is an official or Unofficial 1969s DDO US 1c/penny?

I am interested in others opinion as I prepare to send some random coins from my collection to certify. I have two DD 1969s's - this is the circulated MS and the other is a proof...but I like this one better as it was a random find & the other was a gift :)

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 Posted 10/12/2015  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you really had a 1969-S DDO-001, you would not be asking for opinions because it would be unmistakable There are two other minor DDOs, but your images are not adequate to determine whether you have one and there are no known proof doubled dies.
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They are both definitely double die, but the reason I ask is that I thought I had a couple double dies (different years)in the past (1955's) but I was told that the "official" double die had a small attribute that mine did not, therefore I was left in disappointment. (In hindsight I should have got a second opinion, but here I am :) - learning from my past experiences.

I always like reassurance, thus my coming to you guys :) I didn't want to remove it from the folder until I decided to send it in for certification. I am going to try and get better pics. The better pictures were too large to load and ran into technical issues when uploading them.
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I am also going to pull out the proof, as I have yet to take pics - but if my memory serves me correctly, it was not as prominent as this and if this is not an official DD then that one is not, BUT it is DD none the less - I love it!

PS Thank you for your time and input, it is much appreciated. I have always been attracted to the "little difference" that brought me to a seriously large collection of err coins, but it took me years to figure them all out. I even dug out a Canada Toonie center piece out of a bin recently lol
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MOJO, the spelling is doubled die.
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You mentioned 1955 as a DDO. If it was the famous one you would know it as well for the famous 1969-S DDO. Check coppercoins.com.
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Many, many, many times a newer collector will mistake Mechanical Doubling for a doubled die. Some seasoned collectors will even have a problem with it because they never learned the differences between the two types of doubling. Take a look at this page: Other Types of Doubling http://www.lincolncentsonline.com/m...oubling.html
It should help explain the differences. See if the doubling on your coins is Machine Doubling or a true doubled die.
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Especially with 1969-s LMC's, there seems to be an abundance of mechanical doublings
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You guys are right on. Despite my many years of collecting, I still have to check books and still come here for confirmation :) I thank you for taking the time to chime in. Here are the pictures of the MS and SP (hopefully) 1969s DDO's and IF the pics work this time lol - I am considering a run to ICCS in the morning...
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Success lol the 1st two are the MS and the 2nd are the proof - the MS's doubling is more prominant on the OB side and the proof in the ONE CENT on the RV...

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wow so much for success lol the 3rd and 4th pics are bad pics of the 1963 cad errs - I think - I am going to try again :) the first are of the MS 1969s DDO though
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MS = Mint State (as it came from the mint). Business strikes are coins that are made for general circulation. A proof coin is made with special dies that are polished to give the coin a mirror like finish. They are not released for general circulation and are only sold to collectors.
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Hard to tell from your images what you have there except a 1969-S Cent. But even what I can see it is not the "Big" DDO:
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The 1968-1972 cents had a lot of machine damage on the devices these years. If what you are seeing is like these, then it is MD:
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The doubling on a hub doubled example enlarges the devices. Machine damage reduces the size of the devices and is very common to find.
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Thank you CWB - it was explained differently to me :) the MS I was speaking of was in circulation. I guess I was going by grade. The proof was from a proof set and I enlarged to be absolute sure it was DD and not the "glare", but as per official...hmmm

Coop - those pics are great! Thank you...you confirmed it for me. The 1968s was the next one. I am excited to say that mine is more doubled so I am hoping for the best on that one. As per the 69s - the circulated one is definitely DD so I am going to take it to CCCS next week to certify. I am going to take the proof coin for the ride :)

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what the 1968s DDO is going for?

DD were always my favorite and I have many that were never listed so I am taking the plunge and certifying for the first time ever :)
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