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The 1934-S Peace Dollar Story?

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Whats up with the high price of 34-s Peace dollars In MS? It has a fairly low mintage but there are several others with lower mintages (21, 27,27-s, 28, 34). I get it that the 1921 was saved because it was the first year so naturally more of those are available in ms. But why does the 34-s have such a high premium over say the 27 or 27-s that have lower mintages? Was it released in a different way (for example how the 2009-p nickel was released in Puerto Rico so bu examples are tough to find)? I see a slew of cleaned 34-s for under $100 but even AU examples will set you back $500+ (maybe more). Ms is at least $1000!
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This date and mint mark was ignored by dealers and collectors when it was released and for years after due to people at the time thinking it was modern and would be available by the bagfuls like other dollars.

You might enjoy reading this section of Bowers' book on Silver and Trade dollars related to the 34-S http://www.pcgs.com/books/silver-do...ngs-041.aspx

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Yes, it is an odd bird. There are other Peace dollars with much lower mintage for much less in higher grades. I think it is what Meadowview said. This is what is neat about coins is that they all have these weird histories, Like Saint-Gaudens $20 Double Eagles of the later 1920 and early 30's. There are earlier St. Gaudens with very low mintages such as 1908S (22,000), but they were not melted down by FDR. According to sources most of the double eagles of the 1920's were returned to the mint and melted down. So original mintage means nothing.

I have 1934-S Peace dollar but only in EF condition. From EF to MS-60 is a bridge too far for me. Every time I visit my LCS the owner says he believes Peace dollare are under valued. You can buy them all in MS-63 for less than $1000 each except for the 1934S which will cost you about $4000. I would rather get the others than blow the whole wad on 1934-S. Of course, the 1934S maybe the coin that is really appreciating. Higher grades of rare LSQ's seem to really be appreciating. People just like certain coins and are willing to pay up for mint condition.

Things that are supposed to be collectable usually aren't, and odd ducks like 1934-S Peace dollar in MS condition are highly collectable and expensive.
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They got hard use for their first ten years, just like early walkers and pre 1860 SF silver.
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MV - Thank you for the link to the Peace dollar story. I have that set and learned many new things in the read.
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I enjoyed readint the article as well Meadowview. Thanks for posting it!
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When the originally commemorative Washington quarter was launched in 1932, they were hoarded by the roll, before the Depression. Families put away BU mint fresh rolls of 1932's. They also saved lots of 1932-S mint Washingtons, but since the mintage was low, there were not that many available to save. Perhaps they had been "trained" by rarities such as the 1912-S Liberty nickel, 1909-S VDB Wheat, and 1908/1909-S Indian Head cents. For whatever reason, they didn't save 1932-D's, even though the Denver mint produced way more quarters than San Fran that year. The end result is that while you can easily find handfuls of gem 1932's and many higher grade 1932-S, gem 1932-D's are rarer than rare and command a huge premium.

In 1934, during the Depression, Congress decided to prop up the price of silver (which was by then at an absolute bottom) by ordering the Mint to coin silver dollars; they were also ordered to create a market by paying for their silver bullion in...silver dollars. As a nice bonus, the Mint made a "mint" in profits. The old Peace design was reused. Not many people could afford to save one, much less entire rolls of them; they were circulated, especially out west. Demand soon went from sporadic to nonexistent, and the Mint shut down production.

The 1930s as a whole had this situation repeat across the larger silver coin denominations, most notably in the Walkers, Washingtons and especially those 1934-1935 Peace dollars. In the immediate pre-WWII era as incomes picked up, roll hoarding was becoming more and more popular, and more and more fresh BU rolls started being saved, such that by the time we get into the 40s there are very few condition rarities in the various silver coin series.

It is worth noting that to collectors in the era that mintages were easily available and often the only "indicator" of scarcity, so many low-mintage issues were hoarded if they could be found, the theory being that low mintage = greater value.
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I do remember in the 1950's that collecting Walkers was pretty easy, but all in circulation were worn as were the LSQ's. I never saw a Peace dollar or a Morgan in circulation. Lots of pretty worn Buffalos and Mercury dimes but 90% in circulation were well worn with few exceptions. This is when you could still find silver coins in circulation. Now you can't find one. I have not seen one in many years. I think for those of us who press on this may be the best of times. Coins we want are still available even if you have to pay for them.
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