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Hi, they say if things seem too good to be true...

I bought one of these supposedly PL sets for 3.50$ + 1.50 shipping. I received them today and they are in great condition (PL-65+). Here's the question...whats the catch?

1969-VOYAGEUR-CANADA-MINT-PROOF-LIKE-SET-PENNY-NICKEL-DIME-QUARTER-HALF-DOLLAR

On Coins and Canada, just the 25 cents in PL-65 is 40$?
Indeed, another newbie question :)


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On C&C the price for PL65 is $9 not $40, that's not even enough to pay for the cost of grading.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
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They're just very very common. You don't reach over $40 CV until PL66.
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Apologies @ DBM, you are right. I believe my 25 cents is a PL-66 (but I'm very far from an expert). But that aside, why would the whole coin set sell for around 4$ when a single PL-65 25 cent is 9$. And thats just 1 of 6 coins?.



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$9 isn't that much once you calculate the cost of grading, ebay fees, PayPal fees. You also have to consider your likely not going to get $9 as most coins sell for less then listed value. For example I recently purchase a 1951 MS-65 for $80 shipped when its valued at $125-150 (depending on what list you go with). I think atm coins are going for about 60-70% trends.

Plus we have to be a pretty good grader to even send them in because if they don't come back PL-66 your actually losing money at that point.
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 Posted 10/16/2015  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add teo2015 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Modern mint sets tend to be inexpensive because a lot of pseudo collectors buy them, and then a few years later sell them for a fraction of what they paid. Individual coins in the sets may appreciate and then collectors buy the mint sets and take the individual coin they want out, and the value of the mint set goes up as the value of the coins in them goes up.
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While not everyone may agree, I think older Uncirculated Sets are a great buy at their current price. I notice what appears to be almost a cottage industry on ebay -- cutting sets apart and selling the individual coins at a substantial markup. It makes me wonder how many sets are actually left, even though the original mintage was high.

Particularly for the post-silver years, nearing 50 years already, without Uncirculated Sets it would have been cost prohibitive in postage alone to ever bring my collection up to the present date. Because all that snipping was somewhat painful, I bought 2 sets each of the missing years, just to keep one set intact. Can I tell the difference between PL 65, 66 or 67? Possibly not, but I'm happy with the completion of years.....for me my collection resembles a journal of passing time.
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I' have a 1965 set that I was going to snip apart and put the coins in 2x2s for my album. I think buying the set for this purpose is cheaper than buying individual coins in similar grade, a cost effective way to add some nice coins to my collection no?
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Andygroove, I see nothing wrong with that. Why not? They are attractive, uncirculated, often cameo. No concern they've been cleaned, scratched or dipped.
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I bought a 1965 PL set for what it would cost just for the silver dollar alone in MS. It's much better buying the set than buying the coins individually.
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Saw this deal at gatewest, good deal for new collectors or those that don't have these yet .


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A great assortment of Royal Canadian Mint products fro you to enjoy!

This set includes:
2001 Specimen Set (Available by itself, item #10425)
2001 2001 Proof Year of the Volunteer 10ct (Available by itself, item #10447)
2003 Oh! Canada Set (Available by itself, item # 10709)
2004 Test Token Set with Poppy Colorized Token (Available by itself, item #11500)
2005 Canada Day Colorized 25ct (Available by itself, item # 11569)
2009 RCM King Edward VIII High Relief Copper Medallion (Available by itself, item # 12596)

This collection retails for $129.70

ADDED BONUS! Receive a free COTY membership for 2015(No PL SET), a $30.00 value yours FREE! **Within Canada ONLY**

DOUBLE BONUS!! Receive Free Shipping on this item! **Within Canada ONLY**
A $166.20 Value, yours for only $69.95 CDN


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wildflowerAB, good points, thank you :)
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For some, the hunt for PL heavy cameo strikes from 1972 to 1976 can be very challenging... I know several 25c collectors, who are still hunting for a 1973 25c PL with a heavy cameo.
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For some, the hunt for PL heavy cameo strikes from 1972 to 1976 can be very challenging... I know several 25c collectors, who are still hunting for a 1973 25c PL with a heavy cameo.


I've always found this confusing. Charlton doesn't list PL grades after 1968, yet I've seen TPG graded coins up to 1977 (for PL-65 anyway).

So what is the last year that each grading company will assign a "Proof-Like" grade? And how consistently is this followed?
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Will these sets ever increase in value, as the sets are cut up, and the alloy recover program reduces the circulation coins of the 1968-1989. Sets in these years seam to be a bargain when compared with sets 1990 onwards. These nickel dollar sets are much nicer than our current plated coinage. They are an affordable way for novice collectors to get into the hobby.
I never understood why the nickel coinage never became popular with collectors! Especially when silver content has little relationship to price. Even the large penny seems to be more sought after.
your input is welcomed!
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Will these sets ever increase in value, as the sets are cut up, and the alloy recover program reduces the circulation coins of the 1968-1989. Sets in these years seam to be a bargain when compared with sets 1990 onwards. These nickel dollar sets are much nicer than our current plated coinage. They are an affordable way for novice collectors to get into the hobby.
I never understood why the nickel coinage never became popular with collectors! Especially when silver content has little relationship to price. Even the large penny seems to be more sought after.
your input is welcomed!


I understand what you're saying and although I have no answer, I'd suggest the future of coin collecting as a hobby lies in Uncirculated Sets. What I mean by that is it's not likely that new collectors are going to take a sudden interest in collecting coins 100+ old. It would be more likely they'd collect more recent issues and after that, then accumulate older years including silver. Amassing a collection of say, even 25 years of circulated coin X 6 demonizations......150 separate coins, that gets to be very labour intensive in my opinion. The chance of soon losing interest in the hobby is high.

Yet sometimes I get the impression a certain amount of distain is directed towards Uncirculated Sets by the coin collector community in general, sort as if the coins in those sets are not "real". Yet look at the price and popularity of PL coins from the 50s which counters that notion.

I suppose another issue is that most coin collectors are older - and so am I - yet I can use myself as an example --- when I was much younger I didn't have a whole lot of appreciation for "old" things. Yet now as an older collector, my joy is in older coin but I need to step back and appreciate what appeals to younger people is most often not the same thing. So I can totally understand why younger folks who choose to collect coin firstly in the years they are most familiar with. And it's certainly not a good thing if us existing collectors discourage new collectors from the hobby by making it too expensive or too difficult.

That said, the value of Uncirculated Sets is based on market demand but whether it stays low or gradually rises may be a reliable indicator of future popularity of the hobby. I'd certainly like to see it increase because it's a fun and rewarding hobby, lots of learning opportunities along the way, that indeed can last a lifetime.
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