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1949 1c "A To Denticle"

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 Posted 01/30/2008  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
KurtS, I'll post a photo, after I return from the Hospital. App't with DR. I'm back.
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it is in flip, but can remove if desired.
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Hmm...I'm going to post this diagnostic here so people can compare to the coin in question:

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Now, here's the photo of your coin rotated to allow easier comparison (the stuff in the corner is just an underlying image from rotating)

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Here's a similar detail from one of my '49ATs:
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And, here's an image from a '49 that's clearly off-denticle:
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Using the diagnostic from Charest's book, notice how the "off denticle" (low relief) is clearly left of the closest denticle, whereas the "to-denticle" (high relief) is ever so slightly right of the closest denticle? That may be your confirmation. Additionally, I have noted the denticles vary in length from the edge, which does add to the attribution challenge.


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Kurt, You spotted that, too! I was going to ask if any one had noticed the different length of the denticles, or the impression that the "A" was closer in some cases. The CDROM, (2008) mentions the "slightly right of the denticle", in the "AT" scenario and "slightly left in the between position". Seems I am not the only one wondering. Do yoyu have the book, or the CDROM?
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 Posted 01/30/2008  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I have noticed a few of my coins with that difference in the denticles' length. It has made the difference between attributing in 3 seconds, or a minute! Interesting how your Charest CD mentions those slightly left/slighly right positions, while my 2008 CD does not? In any case, I figured this out on my own. So...what do you think about this coin now?

Now, show us the "DEI" on that '55
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 Posted 01/30/2008  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Your wish is my command"
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The '53, and '55, all NSF were in my "found in rolls" files.
The difference in the info you mention,,might be in the CDROM, which I have, and the book which you have. I asked about the book in a prior p[ost.
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 Posted 01/30/2008  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kurt, here is the '54 SF. It is regular issue.
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KurtS, here is the 1953 NSF. With "flared "I"'s, between denticles.
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KurtS, did you ever mix up what the "base' was to identify? Like DEI, instead of TIA, or vice-versa? I think that is what I have done. The "flared "I"'s are apparently the key. They are on the NSF. (DEI)

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Dick, yes--I have mistaken the letter to align, but now I view the coin and Charest photos together.
Anyway--here's my quick take: your '55 is a SF with some post-mint damage that flared the one end of the "I". The "I" on the SF (low relief) variety is not perfectly centered on the denticle, but shifted a bit to the left. I think that's what we're seeing here. I think the same scenario applies to your '54: it's a SF too. However, your '53 looks tentatively to be a NSF. The letter is dramatically flared, and appears more centered between denticles. I'll take a closer look when I finish a project here.
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KurtS, hi again. I just got up. Yes, I believe you hasve the picture. I knew, (after reading more about the '63& '55). The '54 is SF. It wears, and dissapears, but actually, does not figure. The '53, and'55. only. That is when I noticed the '53. Then I read more, and found the excerpt about the "slightly right of", but not on this page. Then I knew I had to look further, and use the right initials, or letters, etc. I'm not used to "denticles, and all the wording around a profile. I believe the "Flared ends of the I's" are the key.
"By mistake the NSF pbverse was used for some '54 cents for the PL sets, and small quantity of '55 cents for circulation".
Taken from Page 70, on the 59TH edition of Charltons CAtalogue, (2005).
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 Posted 01/31/2008  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dillon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a 48 Canadian penny, the A in Gratia is pointing at the denticle? Is it supposed to be between the denticle or pointing at it?
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 Posted 01/31/2008  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Dillon,
According to Charest's book "Canadian coins and their varieties", there are high and low relief varieties for 1948 and 1949. As with 1949, if the "A" points to a denticle, then it's a high relief version. From the book I have, I see a premium put on 1948 low relief varieties, but only in the higher grades (MS 62-65) However, this may be a typo--I'll check.
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ok thanks!
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As far as I can tell, the premium is only for the MS grades. I don't know why.
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