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Hello! Recently my grandmother gave me a little cup of wheat cents, inside was 19 1909 vdb cents, I tried to ask her where she picked them up from but shes 96 years old and has bad dementia and could not remember where, the only thing she could remember was that she went to alot of antique shows in the past 60 to 70 years, Anyways ive been staring at them very crazy like and found what I think could be more than a few 1909 vdb matte proofs. i think this is the real deal but I want to get all of the opinions I can     here is a picture I found of another matte proof notice all the action around the 2nd T in trust and the marks below the same T at about eye level which is on mine, and the line from the nose to the top right of the 0 which is hard to see in my picture but parts can be made out  Edited by Nocturnal
10/23/2015 05:25 am
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Pillar of the Community
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Pictures of the whole coin would be helpful/
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The poition of the letters does not matter; the style of the rims does.
In the last picture, which coin is the 1909 VDB in question? If it is the one on the right, then the chances look good that this is a matte proof.
Edited by TypeCoin971793
10/23/2015 07:30 am
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yes the one to the right is the VDB, ive found a few more just like this with the same die marks with almost the same edge but slightly less sharp but not much. is it the edge that matters the most?
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Bedrock of the Community
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This comes up often, your posted coin is not a proof IMO.
Many nice coins were made in 1909 since the hubs and dies were fresh. The proofs from 09 are extremely rare, chances of finding one in the wild are even rarer.
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So what's the best way to find out one way or the other? Send it to a TPG? Bring it to the local coin shop? If, for example, you send it to PCGS, how would you fill in the form? Ask for MS or PR? I've been sitting on a 1909-P wondering the same thing. I realize it's statistically improbable, but when I fist saw the coin I forgot to breathe for a while. And no, I don't yet have pictures. |
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Wow I'm not sure . All I know is that is a really pretty coin and I would probably get it slabbed anyway.
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Rims need to be squared for it to be a matte proof
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Even if those 19 VDB's are not proof's ,you'll have some nice coins there. Are there any other good dates or mints in your grandmother's cup of wheat's ?
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Rims need to be squared Can you tell from those photos (or any photo) if those rims are squared? By squared, do we mean that the rims are perfectly flat and the field plane is perfectly perpendicular to the rim? I came across a book (the author's name eludes me) dedicated to just the early matte proofs and wanted to buy it, but at $40 for a thin tome I think I'm going to see if there's a copy available from the ANA library. Has anyone read it or have a copy to give us a brief review?
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Kevin Flynn wrote a book on the Matte Proof cents. The ANA has copies available for circulation. -MV |
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Quote:So what's the best way to find out one way or the other? Send it to a TPG? Bring it to the local coin shop? If, for example, you send it to PCGS, how would you fill in the form? Ask for MS or PR? Do you realize the costs involved? If you want confirmation, just take them to a local coin shop. Any dealer worth his salt will know immediately. These are not worth slabbing until you get to MS-65RD level, otherwise the grading costs will be near the value of the coin. You can find thousands of example of people getting burned and selling their losses on ebay. Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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Edited by BadThad
10/23/2015 3:47 pm
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BadThad: Thanks, all points well taken. I had already read the previous threads on the topic because I do have a genuine interest in these particular proofs. Thanks for your help.  |
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