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1967 20-Cent: Error Or Post-Mint Damage ?

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 Posted 01/19/2008  07:31 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
G'day, see item 160199019236 on E-bay.
The coin in the pic has seen a lot of circulation, but the missing legend does not seem to be accompanied by rim-damage or obvious abrasion on the field, which I would expect to see if someone used a grinder, etc.
Wha'd'y'reckon ?
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 Posted 01/19/2008  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Peter, It looks like die fill to me. No sign of it being struck through oil as indicated by the seller.
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 Posted 01/20/2008  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jeff to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks fairly genuine error and if I found it in my change I would be quite excited.
However, if it is dummied up, presumably the person who did it would have taken great pains to make it look genuine. Will be interesting to see what it fetches -probably if you have the expertise to do a fake like this you would be making wavy 2s which fetch very good prices.
So, I say (for what it is worth from a complete amateur) it is probably a genuine error.

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 Posted 01/25/2008  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day, this coin generated plenty of interest:
closed at Oz$120.00, after 15 bids.
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 Posted 01/26/2008  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unbelievable price.

I have many (ok, more than a couple ) die filled coins that are the equal of that one. Apart from my die-filled 2001 federation upset, I have always assumed the value of these to be somewhere between (say) $10 and at the most $50.
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 Posted 01/26/2008  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does make me wonder about the authenticity of at least one the bidders.
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 Posted 01/27/2008  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add farnbycoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Did you guys notice this one on ebay in the last few days Item number: 180207309897
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farnbycoins, Hmmmmm..I'd be surprised if that coin left the mint in that state.

My verdict would be post mint man made, looks like it's had another coin bashed on to it quite forcefully. Not saying the seller did it as I've bought from that seller & have not had any problems with items.

It maybe a bit off centre, which would be ridgy didge.
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That damage in the field to the left is a bit of a give-away for me, and put me off a serious bid. Agree post strike manipulation. Highlights the possible pitfalls in this hobby.
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 Posted 01/30/2008  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zaggy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Give me a hand full of 50c pieces, a sledge hammer, a few lumps of metal, a piece of timber and I reckon I can make you half a dozen of that error. You know, you could even possibly do it by loading two coins (one backed with timber to avoid Obverse damage) into a bench vice and just put some turns on the vice.

There you go, two alternate methods for making that, and I've hardly thought about it!

But the look of it, I reckon someone may have been trying to re-create a die clash error. The problem with that is, die's are VERY HARD and the depth of impression from a die clash, doesn't seem to be much. So just gaffa-taping three coins together and WHACKING them, or loading them into a vice, isn't going to produce an accurate result.

I must admit tho, this is tempting me to put some of my metal working skils to use and see what can be created in an average garage! If I had access to a Mill or other toys, one could make some amazing errors.
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