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Very Rare Straits Settlements 1878 Cent

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 Posted 01/23/2008  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just as for some added information on the issue of date alterations - there is an auction on ebay still active that has an altered date.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...230215409746

This particular coin is my specialty. The host coin is a later date issue from the same mint (struck after 1882). But the alteration is very obvious. The 6 and the O are the wrong fonts and there is a discoloration around the altered numbers and letters. This changes a $15 original common date into a "rare" date and bidding has reached over $80.

Here is the coin itself. There is no doubt in my mind that the coin itself is real - but it is a bullion item with a little cosmetic surgery.

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 Posted 01/23/2008  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I definitely see what you mean about the wrong font, swamperbob. 2 normal 0's with a bead and open on top and right next to them a thinner and more angular 0. Seeing that the seller is in China, I would have assumed the entire coin is a lightweight fake to begin with =)
You said Mexican coins like this are your specialty... any chance you can scrutinize the 1876/5 Mexican coin I posted?
Thanks!
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 Posted 01/23/2008  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just found one of these on ebay from a Malaysian seller. This definitely looks like an 1876 altered (badly I might add). This is item # 290200881601

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Numismat - I would be very happy to look at any Cap and Ray coin. I have been collecting in the series since roughly 1958 or 59 and started collecting counterfeits about 1960. How do I find it? Is it on a thread?

Regarding the altered date 8Rs, they are full weight silver. There are many ebay sellers from China who handle real silver coins with altered dates. They do that so that they can honestly say that the coin is guaranteed to be genuine silver. They can also say antique or old or anything similar and it is actually true. The only problem is the date or mint mark. It is a dodge but they get away with it all the time.

Add to that the fact that many novice coin collectors don't have a clue about actual die style variations made from year to year and mint to mint (about 300 total) for Mexican 8Rs and you have a buyer who is not even likely to know he has been swindled.

I tend to agree with your comment that the last 1878 could be an 1876 - all the left side needs some minor trimming and the right needs a small addition, but it is not too difficult for any competent jeweler.
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Here's the link:

https://goccf.com/t/24555

It's a 5 centavos so it's not a cap and rays series coin, but I figure you must know something about these varieties as well?

Thanks again!
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 Posted 01/26/2008  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1865 Zs MO - altered date 8R sold for $102.50. That is about $100 too much for that one if you add postage. Pretty good for a couple hours work. I would love to speak to the buyer but ebay's "privacy" protection makes that impossible. Way to go ebay!
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Yes, ebay politics are to make them the most money, not to protect ignorant buyers.
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