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United States
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Found this among my treasures; always wondered if the reverse were actually rotated or it was the obverse that was the culprit? Depends upon point of reference I suppose, anyway here you go: ==  ==  I think I will do another set of photos just to check myself but for now, enjoy these. |
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wondered if the reverse were actually rotated or it was the obverse  Never thought of it that way... Nice coin  |
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Canada
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Very nice coin it's a keeper
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United States
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It's the reverse that's rotated. Now, listen carefully... If you hold the coin so the obverse die axis is perfectly vertical and spin it on that axis, you'll see that the reverse is rotated. Pretty neat trick, huh? This is my sixty-third year of collecting coins. I learned that test in my third or forth year and have remembered it all these years!
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New Zealand
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Where are you finding these gems?  size of photo is very good now just a little bit sharper and you will have it.  Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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[quote]If you hold the coin so the obverse die axis is perfectly vertical and spin it on that axis, you'll see that the reverse is rotated/quote]
JHax I'm having a slow day here so can you clarify this. I always place my coins in holders with the reverse aligned perfectly vertical and when I spin it you can see the obv. is rotated.
I believe the question is which die came loose and rotated but I don't understand how this test determines this.
Cheers, Bill
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Canada
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I suspect the hammer die is the obverse ie immovable so that the reverse becomes loose. The loose die is easier to adjust as it has easier access to tighten bolts. IMHO --thinking like an engineer.
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Canada
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I believe you will find that the hammer die is the reverse die.
I agree that the reverse is in most cases the die that would rotate, I'm not even sure if the anvil die can rotate or if it's fastened in a way that it's impossible to rotate or.not.
Is there a rule that the obverse die can't move?
Cheers, Bill
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JHax said: "It's the reverse that's rotated. Now, listen carefully... If you hold the coin so the obverse die axis is perfectly vertical and spin it on that axis, you'll see that the reverse is rotated. Pretty neat trick, huh? This is my sixty-third year of collecting coins. I learned that test in my third or forth year and have remembered it all these years!" Absolutely! My remark was 'tongue in cheek'; sorry for any confusion. Yes, a wiser than I once reminded me that it's always the reverse since the obverse is considered the reference point. Gee this is fun. |
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United States
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Actually, my "proof" of the reverse die doing the rotating was a joke. If you start with the reverse perfectly straight and spin the coin, then it is the obverse die that is rotated. I believe for the 1859s that the upper die was the reverse. I'm not sure whether the lower die could even move. I suspect not. In any case partially rotated dies are common on the Province of Canada cents. I have some series of 1859 N9 reverse dies where the die clashed on several occasions, each time receiving a profile clash mark slightly offset (rotated) from the previous one(s).
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10/29/2015 10:22 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I've always said a second look never hurts. Well this is what a third look found on the 1858 rotated reverse coin. == the GRATIA must have needed help TRIPLE 'R'? == and the rest of GRATIA |
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Pillar of the Community
New Zealand
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OBV Die OD2 showing the re-punched G and triple R -mated with REV RC2 page 194 of Rob Turner book 1 1858 large cents
Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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Canada
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That triple "R" is very nice..
...now you have to go hunting for the triple "G"..that's out there...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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DEVLEC wrote: "That triple "R" is very nice.. ...now you have to go hunting for the triple "G"..that's out there..." DEVLEC you just add more "work" Actually I think I've seen the triple 'G' here on the forum but cannot remember when. Oh, I shall continue looking, no doubt about it. Thanks for the kind words.
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Actually I think I've seen the triple 'G' here on the forum but cannot remember when. Oh, I shall continue looking, no doubt about it. Thanks for the kind words. Mine but it's a 59 https://goccf.com/t/195412&whichpage=10Cheers Don
Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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11/06/2015 3:12 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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fourmack, well I knew I had seen a triple 'G', just forgot it was an 1859. Got it half right anyway. 
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