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Ancient Molds (Moulds) For Counterfeits

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 Posted 11/06/2015  3:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add augustus1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just added some discussion on how molds were used to make some ancient counterfeits to my educational site:

http://esty.ancients.info/numis/molds.html

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This example is an ancient mold of a large Constantius II
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soldier spearing horseman.

Many molds have been found in Egypt and some in England (and elsewhere), but about 9 in 10 are badly broken so a piece of mold which is not broken is rare.

I added images of a failed experiment to reproduce the technique.

It is part of a large site on ancient imitations in general:

http://esty.ancients.info/imit/
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 Posted 11/06/2015  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! an excellent article. It's really interesting to see how it was actually done. Thanks Warren.
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 Posted 11/06/2015  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EFLargeCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really cool!
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 Posted 11/07/2015  06:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting experiment...

To get the flame hotter you need bellows of some sort.

The metal can be placed in a ceramic crucible which can be picked up and poured using tongs. If melted in this to sufficient temperature it can be poured into the moulds (rather than putting the lot in a kiln?) A flux substance might be needed to have the metal flow nicely?

Melting gold and silver is usually done with a blow torch with gas and oxygen, I have used gas and a blow pipe (pipe goes to your mouth and as you blow the flame turns hot and blue colour.) after melting something you feel quite light headed from all the puffing! I am not sure if the ancient world used any similar techniques... presumably they didn't have bottle gas!

Anyway I would imagine some sort of oven with bellows leading to it, the metal in a crucible in the centre, the bellows are pumped until the metal is fully fluid, then it is quickly lifted with tongs and poured into the moulds in one fluid motion.

It would be fun to play around with and try...
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 Posted 11/07/2015  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very interesting article and nicepics.I ve always been interested in this fake coins .One of the first I ve bought,was a very special : it is a fourree of Faustina Senior with a reverse of her husband Antoninus Pius.

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FAUSTINA AUGUSTA : as RIC335: coin of Faustina



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MONETA AUG : as RIC76 , coin of Antoninus Pius .

There are no coins for Faustina with this revers .
When I see the quality of the dies , especialy the obverse , I think the coin has been struck with original (stolen?) dies .What is your opinion?albert
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I have owned a half dozen of these counterfeit moulds and absolutely love them. Most of them were for late Roman bronzes but I recall one that was for a 3rd century antoniniani. Great stuff! Thanks for the article.
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