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 Posted 11/06/2015  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gymcoachdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
xpac, I would take a properly plugged details coin over a harshly cleaned details coin. As SSK stated, I can't find the plug. I would probably be able to see all the scratches! Proper plugs are even carved to fit into the devices seamlessly, you might need a loupe to find a good plug.
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I think I can see the plug in the O in "OF" on the reverse.

I would have no problem buying this coin at a hefty discount. I'd offer 30-35% and see if the seller takes it.
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I can't justify the purchase of a details coin on many grounds; but early US coinage is one situation where I'd be more likely to at least consider it. For many collectors problem-free examples are simply unaffordable in any grade. If you just want it as a collection item, and have no intent to resell it, then it's okay.

Problem is, most of us are going to sell our coins at some point, by choice or not. I think the wiser move would be to take the $400 or whatever you've put aside for the coin, and sit on it until you have enough money to buy a problem-free example; you'll be happier in the long run, and if you ever need to sell it to cover a life crisis or just because you want out of the hobby, it's far easier to flip a non-details-graded coin.

Given the high demand, extreme scarcity, and overall desirability of this coin series, I would say that a details coin that does not completely ruin appeal could bring 30-45% of problem-free retail, if not more.
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Personally, out of the 2 pictured, I'd prefer the repaired coin over the "straight graded" one. As BH noted, the repaired one appears to be a high end VF if not XF, and looks to have more natural surfaces than the VG coin that appears cleaned and probably should've been details graded also. But, if I was going to spend that much on a coin (guessing over $1000?) I'd probably try and hold out for a more suitable one over either of these.

If you want to know what detailed coins like this actually go for, you can search past auction results on Heritage or Great Collections for "1800 details" in their archived Silver Dollar sales. Knowing the Bolender variety for each may make the decision a bit easier too.

PS: The plug appears to be to the right of the date, and filling in the O of "OF" on the reverse.
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Buy the first one!
Just IMHO, but it looks 1000X better!
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Definitely prefer Coin #1 given the surfaces are as original as they appear from the photos. The plug is well executed and not very distracting.


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I would take a properly plugged details coin over a harshly cleaned details coin

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I would get neither. Why waste your money,if you knew that coin was for you,you wouldn't have even bothered to post it here. I say save some more for when that truly awesome piece comes around. Makes the wait much better and that much more enjoyable everytime you will take that coin out to look at it. JMO
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I would get neither. Why waste your money,if you knew that coin was for you,you wouldn't have even bothered to post it here. I say save some more for when that truly awesome piece comes around. Makes the wait much better and that much more enjoyable everytime you will take that coin out to look at it. JMO


I think you are right. The second coin was never an option for me, I just wanted to give an example of what a "non-details" coin looks like for about the same money. For now I am going back to hunting Morgans.

Thanks for all the comments everyone!
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I like the details grade. Unless you are looking to immediately try to flip then resale value shouldnt be a huge factor. Since this is a rare coin I don't think details grade effects the marketability of it much. If you buy smart you can at least hopefully get your money back should you NEED to sell in the future.
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The worn coin really is not that admirable


You just need more time to appreciate what coins are in fact admirable.
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I like the VG10 . I definitely don't see it as being cleaned. Beautiful original surfaces.
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I prefer the plugged coin. Nice VF details.
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I will buy cleaned coins, if they are sufficiently rare, but not harshly cleaned coins. I will not buy holed/repaired coins.
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...and, BTW, if anyone else has a different practice...that's okay, there is no right and wrong. Some guys like Harley Davidson motorcycles, and some guys like sport bikes.
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