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Coin Cleaning - Myth Vs. Reality

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It has always been my impression, that cleaning a coin, is a "No-No" and affects coin value negatively ... Please share your experience/knowledge.
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Yes, your impression is correct. I don't object to an acetone bath but other than that would never clean coins.
With the exception of getting rid of verdigris.
But I personally would not try cleaning a "valuable" coin with anything. I would leave that to the experts and see if they could "conserve" it.
Now I have dipped a little bit of junk silver before but it is / was only worth melt value so I didn't destroy the value in any way. And only a few of really black coins. The rest of my junk silver I left alone.
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but acetone isn't cleaning as it does not affect the surfaces of the coin (it removes harmful substances and dirt, but it doesn't "clean" it).

Anyways... What is the consensus on Ultrasonic Treatments?
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Most coins have been cleaned at some point. All those slabbed circulated coins - decades, hundreds of years old - without even a single fingerprint? C'mon, who are we kidding?
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I'm browsing El Cazador coins rather regularly for my collection of 1782. While NGC only says these are genuine, so Details coins, they haven't ever put the word "cleaned" on the label. I do have to remind myself that these were all cleaned when coming off the ocean floor. I've seen NGC use "Saltwater Damage" in describing coins from unattributed shipwreck coins. These got cleaned too, even if just controlled fresh water water bath along the way.

But yeah, cleaned has a particular meaning in the hobby. Coins from the 16-19th centuries have almost all been handled and likely had debris removed at some point. The vast majority didn't make into a 2x2 until the last few decades, literally centuries after minting. They certainly didn't make it into a slab until the last couple decades. So they've all been handled and prettied up at some point along the way.

Lets consider the mother of all collections over at the US mint and Smithsonian ('33 Double Eagles, baby!). I bet that the use of gloves and other techniques to keep the dust off wasn't the original protocol as even the rarest of classic coins were coming off the presses back in the day.
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Lets consider the mother of all collections over at the US mint and Smithsonian ('33 Double Eagles, baby!)

All (most, at least...) of those coins at the Smithsonian have been cleaned by a janator that worked there years ago
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Speaking of coin conservation... is there any way for the TPGs to remove minor carbon spots from copper coins?
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Dave H, I haven't had any success removing carbon spots from copper, but would contact the TPGs for their opinion before making any decisions.
Part of the difficulty is defining the meaning of cleaning. There is no general consensus. Technically, if you blow the dust off a coin with compressed air, you have cleaned it. I have expressed my opinions on the topic several times, and I find it is easier to come to an agreement if we look at a specific coin rather than hypothesize in generalities. Some of my coins, I wouldn't expose to harsh language, others beg to be resurfaced with power tools. To be safe, if in doubt...don't.
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but acetone isn't cleaning as it does not affect the surfaces of the coin (it removes harmful substances and dirt, but it doesn't "clean" it).


from Thefreedictionary.com

clean (kl#275;n)
v. cleaned, clean·ing, cleans
v.tr.
1. To rid of dirt, rubbish, or impurities: clean a room; clean a suit.
2. To get rid of (impurities or dirt, for example); remove: cleaned up the trash; cleaned off the stains.
3. To prepare (fowl or other food) for cooking, as by removing the entrails or fat.
4. To remove the contents from; empty: cleaned my plate.
5. Sports To lift (a barbell) from the floor to the shoulders in one motion.

Sorry Child of the wheat but
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it removes harmful substances and dirt

is almost word for word the definition 1 and 2 of the word 'clean' when used as a verb.

This sounds way too much like my department head.

DH 'The currier who picks up your deposit does not count money. He just verifies it.'

ME 'How does he verify the amount of the deposit?'

DH 'He just verifies to make sure the amount is correct.'

ME 'How does he know the amount is correct without counting it?'

DH 'He makes sure the proper number of each bill is there.'

ME ' He does that without counting the money?'

DH 'Thats right, he verifies, but does not count the money.'

So, acetone removes dirt but does not clean.
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The accepted dictionary definition is too broad for numismatic context, as there is a difference between cleaning and conservation.
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everything in the universe is exactly as it should be
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I acetone all my coins before I put them in albums or saflips. Soaking in acetone alone however wont physical remove stuff alone, so I find myself occasionally wiping the problem areas of the coin verry lightly with a q tip while the coin is still wet. In one case I had a walker half I got out of a junk bin, and it had blue/green toning on the high points of the coin. Soaking and swishing the acetone around helped, but taking the q tip with almost zero force and dragging it accross the areas of the coin took the green stuff off completely. When using verdi care, I know the directions say you can wet the coin and rotate it on a soft cloth to remove verdigris and that's supposedly find, so I figure my q tip method is acceptable as long as I don't any force. I'm not sure if this affects the original toning or not, which could be an issue I guess
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I use a bench grinder with a wire brush on it. Makes coins really shine nice.
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Me too. It's fast, and most people can't see the difference.
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