PCGS Error "experts" - 1864 Indian Off Center - Page 2

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davec13 Pillar of the Community United States 757 Posts	Posted 11/13/2015 08:35 am Quote: I've never heard the argument before that error coins should have a consistent strike but that's a new angle for sure. All mint errors are created at the mint in a similar fashion. So in my opinion every error type should shows similar characteristics. If on genuine off struck errors the denticles start to flair out towards the end on the obverse, every other off struck error should show that. The same goes for the reverse the denticles are weak and on the outside of the strike. So his should be a good indicator of what a "true" error should look like. Again this is all my own personal beliefs, I could be completely wrong. Quote: What do the 1863 Indians you posted have to do with an 1864 L? The date is not what I was trying to show. I was trying to show the characteristics of a genuine error. Being that you have a key date error that is potentially very valuable it would make financial sense to try and fake it. It would also be easier for a counterfeiter to make a key date "error" coin than a full strike coin. The error coin probably wouldn't be as scrutinized as a genuine example would be, and the flaws could be attributed to the "error" where they would jump out on a full struck example. This is just me being the devil's advocate so please don't take offense to anything I've posted. I've become slightly jaded with the amount of counterfeit items available lately. On top of the I read Numismatic Forgery by Charles M. Larson and in it he gives step by step details on how to make any counterfeit coin your heart desires with very little initial investment. I really hope the coin comes back from NGC as real, but from my experience if it gets body bagged by PCGS it gets body bagged by NGC. I have never tried submitting to ANACS so I can't speak for them. I do have a couple of really good altered coins in my black cabinet I should submit the to ANACS to see if they get a genuine grade. Report this Post to the Staff
basebal21 Bedrock of the Community 13014 Posts	Posted 11/14/2015 12:32 am The definition of an error is that's it's not like the others though. Uniformity is the exact opposite of an error. Again though getting back to diagnostics since every year is different an error or strike from one year is not relevant to another year. There's been a handful of these sold by heritage a decade ago but again as an error those aren't really relevant. You're really just looking for pick up points on the 64 L since you can't expect an off strike to strike the same. As far as the services game they have different standards. Plenty of NGC details coins have moved to PCGS and vice versa and ANACS coins to both of them. People make a living moving those coins around if they pick the right ones. However, the one thing they have all been known to be tops at is authentication. I'm not a fan of ANACS grading standards at all, but if you submit consistently to the services PCGS needs to rotate their grading room again Edited by basebal21 11/14/2015 12:39 am Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 11/14/2015 11:48 am Even if you have two coins of the same year and off-center the same amount, whether the collar is stuck all the way down or not, and/or how much give the collar has can change the appearance of the coin. Then there can also be differences in the strength of the strike. Any of those can have an effect on the appearance and strength of the denticals seen on the coin. Report this Post to the Staff
justin3651 Pillar of the Community United States 621 Posts	Posted 11/14/2015 7:19 pm It's great to see you again basebal21. I think what I would do is go over to the pcgs us coin forum and make a respectful thread asking if anyone can understand why it didn't grade. Indian cent errors seem to be especially liked over there so the thread will probably draw attention and either someone will be able to explain why it wasn't graded or the mistake on pcgs part will be exposed and they might contact you to try to make it right or have you send it back in so they don't look bad. Either way you win. As long as you make sure not to go off on the thread. They will just delete it and ban you and be done with it. Report this Post to the Staff
basebal21 Bedrock of the Community 13014 Posts	Posted 11/16/2015 03:39 am Hey bud good to see you again. How have you been Justin. I needed a bit of a cool down period on this one before I tired that. As you know ANACS isn't my favorite beside Authenticaticon but I doubt they'd authenticate anything fake I'll send it to NGC soon as I have more faith in their error expert. Edited by basebal21 11/16/2015 05:21 am Report this Post to the Staff
bandsdean Pillar of the Community United States 2125 Posts	Posted 11/22/2015 3:18 pm Looks good to me. Full ribbon too looks XF-45 at least. Also, is there a RPD there too? Report this Post to the Staff
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