Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. 300,000 items to help build your collection! Specializing in Modern Numismatics Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin Auctions








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Constantius II - What's Going On With This Portrait?

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 8 / Views: 1,660Next Topic  
Pillar of the Community
Finn235's Avatar
United States
6130 Posts
 Posted 11/15/2015  09:46 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Common Constantius II Gloria Exercitus reverse, I think LVG mint.

Constantius-II---What's-Going-On-With-This-Portrait?

Was able to match it based on the inscription (VSPFAVG at right of portrait) but the portrait threw me for a loop. The diadem is almost completely absent, and there appears to be an extra diadem "tie" (not sure what the back part is called) coming out of the emperor's ear.

What caused this? I know next to nothing about the Roman minting process, but this almost looks like a rotated doubled die?
Pillar of the Community
Athalbert's Avatar
Spain
629 Posts
 Posted 11/15/2015  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Athalbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin was struck over other coin, below the chin I can see part of the neck of the former coin (with portrait to left)
Moderator
Learn More...
echizento's Avatar
United States
23731 Posts
 Posted 11/15/2015  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's looks like it the coin shifted and it's was double struck.
Pillar of the Community
Athalbert's Avatar
Spain
629 Posts
 Posted 11/16/2015  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Athalbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suppose that we need better images to confirm our theories...
...and reverse images too!
Pillar of the Community
Finn235's Avatar
United States
6130 Posts
 Posted 11/16/2015  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the obverse, photographed through my loupe:

Constantius-II---What's-Going-On-With-This-Portrait?

And the reverse:

Constantius-II---What's-Going-On-With-This-Portrait?

Unfortunately, this is about as well as I can photograph for now until the budget allows for a better camera.

The only evidence of doubling or double-striking is right around the ear, which leads me to believe that something was up with the die itself, rather than the coin falling and being struck again. The line underneath the chin is a crack, not a neck from a previous strike. There is a lot of extra metal right around the ear, which I assume is the rear part of the emperor's head. I don't see anything else on the portrait, nor in the fields.

From a couple quick Google searches, it seems that the current theory is that the dies were prepared through casting or hubbing--it's conceivable that the die hub was initially pressed into the die off-center, and then hastily corrected. This coin was struck on an undersized flan, so I don't struggle to imagine that quality assurance there was somewhat lackluster.
Pillar of the Community
Athalbert's Avatar
Spain
629 Posts
 Posted 11/16/2015  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Athalbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I must look in my collection because I have a similar coin of Constantius II overstruck on a coin of Constantinus II...
Moderator
Learn More...
echizento's Avatar
United States
23731 Posts
 Posted 11/16/2015  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With these new images what I'm seeing is delamination of the the surface of the coin with the only part of the original surface remaining is the lower back of the head. The object the looks like a V is IMO just some fragments of the hair that didn't peal away.
Pillar of the Community
tenbobbit's Avatar
United Kingdom
701 Posts
 Posted 11/17/2015  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tenbobbit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too was thinking a rotated die/ double strike.
Then Ron drops a pearl of wisdom.
Looking at it again I have to agree with his theory that it has been caused by delamination issues.
That bit of metal above the ear is VERY deceiving, good spot Ron
Pillar of the Community
Finn235's Avatar
United States
6130 Posts
 Posted 11/17/2015  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After taking a closer look, I am inclined to agree.

I am still scratching my head as to how the original surface managed to stay in place in the exact size, shape, and relative angle of the diadem tie.

Maybe somebody, somewhere is calibrating their improbability drive
  Previous TopicReplies: 8 / Views: 1,660Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.31 seconds to rattle this change. Forums