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Motto Or No Motto?

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A number of different classic U.S. coins were redesigned over the years to either add or remove a motto from the reverse. Sometimes the motto in question was "E PLURIBUS UNUM" and sometimes it was "IN GOD WE TRUST".

Personally (and this really has nothing to do with my feelings regarding religious language on coins since, as I mentioned, sometimes the motto in question was "E PLURIBUS UNUM"), I prefer the designs without the motto. I personally feel the lack of a motto makes the design look a little less cluttered and I also just really like seeing some empty space (especially if there are no scratches or other imperfections).

So, what do you prefer? Motto or no motto?

Here are some examples from my collection to illustrate what I'm talking about:

Liberty Seated Quarter:
Motto-Or-No-Motto? Motto-Or-No-Motto?

Capped Bust Half Dollar:
Motto-Or-No-Motto? Motto-Or-No-Motto?

Liberty Seated Half Dollar
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Liberty Seated Dollar
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 I prefer designs with a motto
 I prefer designs with no motto

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With motto for me for the reason that on the larger coins the open space tends to pick up marks easier.

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On the larger coins the open space tends to pick up marks easier.


Oh, I definitely hear you there! You can see that on most of the examples I posted above. When there aren't any marks, however, I find the effect breathtaking. Of all the ones I personally own, this would be the best example:

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The no motto are much more impressive if nice. The open fields do give a greater emphasis to the other design elements.

You'd mentioned that motto's were added AND subtracted. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of an instance where a motto was removed to any denomination once it was added.
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I believe the Capped Bust half dollar had the "E PLURIBUS UNUM" motto from 1807-36, but it was removed from 1836-39.
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I knew if I asked SOMEONE would find a motto removed. Thanks for pointing it out. The evil reeded edge halves always have so many changes in such a short time.
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Definitely no motto for me..

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 Posted 11/18/2015  03:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dohcollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
on this peticular coin I like it with moto
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I generally prefer No Motto maybe because they're older and for the reasons stated above. On larger coins like halves and dollars With Motto looks okay too though.
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I agree, the mottos are not as bad on the larger coins. I do not hate them, but given a choice, right?
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No motto for me .....

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Motto for me ... IMHO, Beauty & History surpass barren fields. The heavenly motto first appeared when our country was torn asunder by the Civil War. The motto's being framed in a floating ribbon above the eagle says a lot and adds beauty of design, methinks.
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You know, I fully expected and appreciate that you would like the motto.
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Actually, JBuck ... I LOVE the motto!!
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Motto for me, but only as I think of it as a tradition of sorts. I agree that they do look best on large coins and make the smaller coins look a bit cluttered.
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