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Article: Hoard Of More Than 4,000 Roman Bronzes

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Interesting article on Yahoo news today:
http://news.yahoo.com/trove-antique...2440637.html

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 Posted 11/19/2015  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And now I know NOT to kill moles.
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 Posted 11/19/2015  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hello There to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a thought. If the government confiscates ancient coins that people find, how are there ancient coin on the market?
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 Posted 11/19/2015  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for posting the article Bob, it's a shame that the finder will not be allowed to keep even a few of the coins.
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 Posted 11/19/2015  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The British Government has a relatively enlightened attitude to treasure trove, enshrined in Law.

In an attempt to keep the finder honest, he is compensated.
His finds go to a museum, the museum cleans them, researches them and keeps what it needs for its own purposes.
Those not required by the museum are public auctioned and the finder is compensated from that sale.
The finder if interested, also gets to select some coins for his own collection, if has has one.

The coins publicly auctioned find their way onto the secondary market.

I cannot see why variations of these Laws cannot be adopted World wide except for the fact that corruption rears it's ugly head in most countries. This corruption favours a few, and encourages dishonesty in many.
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I have always been amazed by the fact that people can find these sorts of coins and then just turn around and give them to the government for *maybe* a finders fee.

I completely agree with sel that in a perfect world, every dug ancient would be cleaned and restored by a professional... heavens knows I have my share of damaged coins that could have been something special had they not been cleaned in acid.

But whatever his finder's fee... 4,000 uncirculated bronze and silver coins... we're talking $8k minimum, up into the tens of thousands or more if there are any undocumented types. I highly doubt the farmer will see more than a couple thousand for turning these coins over.
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 Posted 11/20/2015  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool article, I guess it would be hard to sell so many coins underground.
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In Spain is very different...
Each "Autonomia" (like a german lander) has his own rules, but are very similar...
...and stupids
example "Andalucia".
Itīs absolutelly legal to have a metal detector but...
Itīs absolutelly illegal to use it (including INSIDE your home)
If you are walking and you find something (a roman coin), if itīs a unexpected find the coin is valued and a little part is given to you (in theory...)
Imagine that you find an uncirculated Marcus Antonius& Cleopatra denarius, well it weigth about 4 grams of silver so probably will be valued in 2 euros and you would receive 1...
...if someone pay it because you must go from one office to another to never receive that money.
After that, in the best case you will see how that coin is storaged in one box with other hundreds of thousands. No one is going to see that coin exposed in a museum.
In the worst case you will be a coin very, very, very similar in a german or swiss auction few weeks after...
As you can imagine nobody wants to be a "good boy" and cross an autentic "paper ocean" to give a LRB.
Ah, in that law they consider as an archeological artifact every thing of only 50 years old!
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 Posted 11/20/2015  03:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mascot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Athalbert but I see many people in ebay from Spain and they sell ancient coins ?
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In Spain we have two favorite hobbies:
1.- making laws for everything
2.- not to obey those laws

The result is a country really different
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One thing I was wondering about after thinking about this article...

If the stash was made at the end of the 3rd century in the midst of hyperinflation, why were bronze/billon coins stashed? These rarely if ever held intrinsic value comparable to face value, so shouldn't this person have buried a few dozen gold coins or a few hundred silver ones, instead of a few thousand coppers?
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 Posted 11/20/2015  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yeah, I saw that today.


man, they cleaned up real nice, compare with the article pic.

Article:-Hoard-Of-More-Than-4,000-Roman-Bronzes
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 Posted 11/22/2015  03:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Enlil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Who cares about stupid laws, they keep people dishonest for a reason.
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